Property talk:P161
Latest comment: 9 months ago by Valentina.Anitnelav in topic Documentary and occupation
Documentation
cast member
actor in the subject production [use "character role" (P453) and/or "name of the character role" (P4633) as qualifiers] [use "voice actor" (P725) for voice-only role]
actor in the subject production [use "character role" (P453) and/or "name of the character role" (P4633) as qualifiers] [use "voice actor" (P725) for voice-only role]
| Description | The individuals who performed starring roles in this film or video production. Qualify with ?? to distinguish starring or minor roles, and with character role (P453) to refer to the item representing the character, if one exists. | ||||||||||||
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| Represents | actor (Q33999), film actor (Q10800557), television actor (Q10798782), singer (Q177220), ballet dancer (Q805221), stage actor (Q2259451), animal actor (Q52688389), performing artist (Q713200), seiyū (Q622807), cast member (Q3297652), pornographic actor (Q488111), radio drama actor (Q21280562), model (Q4610556), musical theatre actor (Q1954956), actress (Q21169216), reality television participant (Q27658988), cast member of (Q66318312), opera singer (Q2865819), drag queen (Q337084), kabuki actor (Q48146261), public figure (Q662729), pornographic actress (Q66382950) | ||||||||||||
| Data type | Item | ||||||||||||
| Template parameter | en:Template:Infobox film (starring) | ||||||||||||
| Domain | According to this template:
work (Q386724): films and similar productions
According to statements in the property:
When possible, data should only be stored as statementsperforming arts production (Q43099500), work (Q386724), performance (Q35140), cast (Q15267437), scene (Q1185607) or fictional person (Q97498056) | ||||||||||||
| Allowed values | persons -- but possibly organizations or "lists of" persons
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| Example | According to this template:
According to statements in the property:
When possible, data should only be stored as statementsCast Away (Q213411) → Tom Hanks (Q2263) Helen Hunt (Q170574) Paul Sanchez (Q105593042) Titanic (Q44578) → Leonardo DiCaprio (Q38111) Kate Winslet (Q202765) The Book of Mormon: Original Broadway Cast Recording (Q7719277) → Josh Gad (Q1190319) Andrew Rannells (Q560516) Rory O'Malley (Q7366932) Nikki M. James (Q7035245) Justin Bohon (Q28007176) Kevin Duda (Q96066034) Michael Potts (Q6833594) Lewis Cleale (Q6536432) Asmeret Ghebremichael (Q22277923) Michael James Scott (Q23416892) | ||||||||||||
| Tracking: usage | Category:Pages using Wikidata property P161 (Q29168737) | ||||||||||||
| See also | voice actor (P725), character role (P453), talk show guest (P5030), performer (P175), recorded participant (P11108) | ||||||||||||
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| Proposal discussion | Proposal discussion | ||||||||||||
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Conflicts with “instance of (P31): Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410), Wikimedia category (Q4167836), Wikimedia project page (Q14204246), Wikimedia template (Q11266439), Wikimedia list article (Q13406463), animated film (Q202866), animated series (Q581714), animated film series (Q56884562), animated feature film (Q29168811), animated short film (Q17517379), filmography (Q1371849), human (Q5), anime film (Q20650540), anime film series (Q29982285), animated television film (Q98807719)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Neighbours (Q3562390)List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P161#Conflicts with P31, SPARQL
Type “performing arts production (Q43099500), work (Q386724), performance (Q35140), cast (Q15267437), scene (Q1185607), fictional person (Q97498056)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “performing arts production (Q43099500), work (Q386724), performance (Q35140), cast (Q15267437), scene (Q1185607), fictional person (Q97498056)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P161#Type Q43099500, Q386724, Q35140, Q15267437, Q1185607, Q97498056, SPARQL
Value type “human (Q5), individual animal (Q26401003), vocal group (Q120544), double act (Q1141470), comedy troupe (Q18510489), music unit (Q11664239), fictional character (Q95074), musical group (Q215380), conjoined twins (Q216866)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31), subclass of (P279)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31), subclass of (P279) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value human (Q5), individual animal (Q26401003), vocal group (Q120544), double act (Q1141470), comedy troupe (Q18510489), music unit (Q11664239), fictional character (Q95074), musical group (Q215380), conjoined twins (Q216866) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P161#Value type Q5, Q26401003, Q120544, Q1141470, Q18510489, Q11664239, Q95074, Q215380, Q216866, SPARQL
Property “sex or gender (P21)” declared by target items of “cast member (P161)”: If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “sex or gender (P21)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P161#Target required claim P21, SPARQL, SPARQL (by value)
Qualifiers “character role (P453), object named as (P1932), start time (P580), end time (P582), voice actor (P725), object has role (P3831), name of the character role (P4633), series ordinal (P1545), reason for deprecated rank (P2241), has characteristic (P1552), point in time (P585), nature of statement (P5102), latest start date (P8555), earliest date (P1319), earliest end date (P8554), latest date (P1326), applies to part (P518), of (P642), narrative role (P5800), subject named as (P1810)”: this property should be used only with the listed qualifiers. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P161#allowed qualifiers, SPARQL
Conflicts with “genre (P136): animated film (Q202866), animated series (Q581714), anime (Q1107), anime television series (Q63952888), anime television program (Q11086742), anime film (Q20650540), original video animation (Q220898)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P161#Conflicts with P136, SPARQL
Property “occupation (P106): actor (Q33999), television actor (Q10798782), film actor (Q10800557), stage actor (Q2259451), singer (Q177220), comedian (Q245068), reality television participant (Q27658988), child actor (Q970153), announcer (Q1371925), recording artist (Q55960555), podcaster (Q15077007), puppeteer (Q2629392), dancer (Q5716684), video blogger (Q4110598), ballet dancer (Q805221), television presenter (Q947873), stunt performer (Q465501), Internet celebrity (Q2045208), pornographic actor (Q488111), seiyū (Q622807), animal actor (Q52688389), musical theatre actor (Q1954956), amateur actor (Q1800680), reality television program judge (Q60118864), radio personality (Q2722764), online streamer (Q57414145), owarai tarento (Q12330954), rapper (Q2252262), tarento (Q2705098), novelist (Q6625963), disc jockey (Q130857), composer (Q36834), musician (Q639669), documentary participant (Q106638245), television personality (Q44508716), AV idol (Q1079215), gravure model (Q28692662), opera singer (Q2865819), voice actor (Q2405480), Japanese idol (Q226008), photo-player (Q10628536), silent film actor (Q26262117), kabuki actor (Q48146261), nihon-buyō dancer (Q105581958), extra (Q658371), performance artist (Q10774753), news presenter (Q270389), weather presenter (Q1154500), video game actor (Q116695160), photographer (Q33231), YouTuber (Q17125263), virtual talent (Q118793301), VTuber (Q55155641), public figure (Q662729), pornographic actress (Q66382950), actress (Q21169216)” declared by target items of “cast member (P161)”: If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “occupation (P106): actor (Q33999), television actor (Q10798782), film actor (Q10800557), stage actor (Q2259451), singer (Q177220), comedian (Q245068), reality television participant (Q27658988), child actor (Q970153), announcer (Q1371925), recording artist (Q55960555), podcaster (Q15077007), puppeteer (Q2629392), dancer (Q5716684), video blogger (Q4110598), ballet dancer (Q805221), television presenter (Q947873), stunt performer (Q465501), Internet celebrity (Q2045208), pornographic actor (Q488111), seiyū (Q622807), animal actor (Q52688389), musical theatre actor (Q1954956), amateur actor (Q1800680), reality television program judge (Q60118864), radio personality (Q2722764), online streamer (Q57414145), owarai tarento (Q12330954), rapper (Q2252262), tarento (Q2705098), novelist (Q6625963), disc jockey (Q130857), composer (Q36834), musician (Q639669), documentary participant (Q106638245), television personality (Q44508716), AV idol (Q1079215), gravure model (Q28692662), opera singer (Q2865819), voice actor (Q2405480), Japanese idol (Q226008), photo-player (Q10628536), silent film actor (Q26262117), kabuki actor (Q48146261), nihon-buyō dancer (Q105581958), extra (Q658371), performance artist (Q10774753), news presenter (Q270389), weather presenter (Q1154500), video game actor (Q116695160), photographer (Q33231), YouTuber (Q17125263), virtual talent (Q118793301), VTuber (Q55155641), public figure (Q662729), pornographic actress (Q66382950), actress (Q21169216)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Neighbours (Q908708), no label (Q125415396)List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P161#Target required claim P106, SPARQL
Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P161#Scope, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P161#Entity types
Conflicts with “instance of (P31): manga (Q8274), light novel series (Q104213567), light novel (Q747381), fictional universe (Q559618), media franchise (Q196600), manga series (Q21198342)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P161#Conflicts with P31, SPARQL
Conflicts with “instance of (P31): version, edition or translation (Q3331189)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P161#Conflicts with P31, search, SPARQL
Conflicts with “genre (P136): documentary film (Q93204), television documentary (Q7603925), documentary television series (Q27868077)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: This House (Q110748469), 100 Seasons (Q123594901)List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P161#Conflicts with P136, SPARQL
- Exception: target items could be "organization" (e.g for music bands)
- Exception: target items could be any kind of "a list of"="person"
Scope? edit
Can this property be used for TV series or radio shows? --Wylve (talk) 14:23, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Starring --> Actors edit
Note: Label and description has changed after this discussion Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions (at moment, later Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions/Archive/2013/Properties). --Nightwish62 (talk) 19:52, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- I can't see the discussion anywhere. How will we indicate who played leading roles? And I think the correct term for the entire cast would be exactly that, rather than "Actor / Actress". Not all cast members will be actors. Danrok (talk) 22:32, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- My fault. It's here (at moment): http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Properties_for_deletion#Property:P482 --Nightwish62 (talk) 17:12, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
- I think the label should be cast member. See Cast member. That allows it to be used in all situations, see Notre-Dame de Paris. Danrok (talk) 21:21, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Support renaming label to "cast member". It is sex-neutral and also allows all types of creative works. --Wylve (talk) 16:45, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- I have changed it now, so it fits with most types of production, and can include cast members who are not actors, e.g. musical cast members. Danrok (talk) 18:47, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- I think this property should include only actors.--Romero (talk) 12:36, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
- Any reason for that, and how are you defining actor? Danrok (talk) 13:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
- In movies for example other cast members except actors are covered by other properties (e.g. "cinematographer"). For a definition of actor you can see here.--Romero (talk) 20:32, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
- Any reason for that, and how are you defining actor? Danrok (talk) 13:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
- I think this property should include only actors.--Romero (talk) 12:36, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
- I have changed it now, so it fits with most types of production, and can include cast members who are not actors, e.g. musical cast members. Danrok (talk) 18:47, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- My fault. It's here (at moment): http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Properties_for_deletion#Property:P482 --Nightwish62 (talk) 17:12, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
"Property:voice actor" vs. "Property:cast member" edit
There is no screenplay of actors in an animated "show" (movie/series). Would it be correct to use the Property voice actor / actress instead of the one here? --Bahnpirat (talk) 15:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Which qualifiers ? edit
To distinguish starring or minor roles use qualifiers - which qualifiers and which values? The all-too generic <P794 (P794)> ? LaddΩ chat ;) 01:59, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
X playing Y playing Z edit
In the movie Muppet Treasure Island (Q1788520), the cast includes actor Steve Whitmire (Q34939) as muppet Kermit the Frog (Q1107971) playing the role of "Captain Abraham Smollett". How would this property be used to represent that? --Yair rand (talk) 23:13, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Non-human actors edit
Maybe should we add another exception to the nature of the item for actor animals: Bart the Bear (Q809222)? Symac (talk) 12:26, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Usage of this property should be sorted ASAP edit
An enormous number of film items already have this property but we still have no idea how to use it rendering it useless when it comes to invoking it in Wikipedia. For all the Template:Infobox film (Q6171351), we need two things: a) differentiating between the leads and the supporting cast and b) the billing order (at least for the leads that receive a main billing). – Máté (talk) 06:35, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
- About your question (a): a few items use the qualifier P794 (P794) to determine this ("??" in the sample of the property documentation above): Q180214#P161, Q723679#P161, Q1140439#P161, Q1765286#P161.
--- Jura 20:26, 6 January 2016 (UTC)- I was thinking that we may have a "main billing ordinal" property of some sorts with a number type, which could solve both problems, as it would get no value for supporting cast and an actual value for the leads. The P794 (P794) would remain useful especially with TV shows, where there is regular cast, recurring cast and guest stars. – Máté (talk) 21:05, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
- Q21521425 uses numbering extensively, but I think it's possible there due to the way it's being sourced.
--- Jura 13:38, 7 January 2016 (UTC)- The property does not mention it should be only used for starring cast, but it is used for the "starring" parameter in enwiki's infobox. Currently, the Hungarian description even explicitly includes secondary characters. Something needs to be done baout this indeed. nyuszika7h (talk) 13:09, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
- Q21521425 uses numbering extensively, but I think it's possible there due to the way it's being sourced.
- I was thinking that we may have a "main billing ordinal" property of some sorts with a number type, which could solve both problems, as it would get no value for supporting cast and an actual value for the leads. The P794 (P794) would remain useful especially with TV shows, where there is regular cast, recurring cast and guest stars. – Máté (talk) 21:05, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
- Distinction of leads and supporting cast is sometime very unclear, so I am not sure if that kind of info is suitable to be stored on WD. Current default rendering will reneder the order as it is stored on WD. It is possible to change the order, but unfortunately it is already not possible using UI (only API). At cswiki we are invoking P161 from WD as "label (character role)" with limitation for 5 (and note "more can be found at WD"). --Jklamo (talk) 13:43, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
- It can be quite straightforward: the key is billing. If one has a main billing, then they are a lead. If not, they are not. Sure, it may not reflect the extent of their roles, but their contribution to the commercial value of the film product, yes. And that is good enough for the infobox. – Máté (talk) 13:49, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
An unnamed character who tells a story (frequent to fairy-tales) d1g (talk) 21:38, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Used in character role (P453). d1g (talk) 05:35, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Which property should be used for stunt performer (Q465501): cast member (P161) or film crew member (P3092) with qualifier P794 (P794)? -- Sergey kudryavtsev (talk) 12:44, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
- I would use film crew member (P3092) with qualifier P794 (P794). --Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:16, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
No luck for the actor .. sample at Q492089#P161 --- Jura 11:36, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Label in Portuguese (currently "protagonistas") edit
Maybe this should be changed as the property isn't just for protagonist (Q215972), but maybe it's a false friend. --- Jura 20:50, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
Skateboarders who are part of a Skate Video - Are they cast members? If not, what are they? edit
Hello, I am trying to write a wikidata item for a skate video. I wanted to include the skateboarders who are featured in the video as cast members. This is flagged as Skateboarder is not an accepted occupation for the Cast Member statement. Should skateboarders be included or is there a different statement I should be using? Thank you for any help. --Wil540 art (talk) 22:27, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Label in French edit
In a nutshell, @TomT0m: suggested to change the label in French of this property from "distribution" to "acteur". Several people (@Mith, Ash Crow, Deansfa, Hsarrazin:) opposed this change. "membre de la distribution" was also proposed as a trade-off (@Olyon01:) and received mild support.
Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 11:37, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
Documentary and occupation edit
Hi,
The "occupation = actor" (and alike) constraint (value-requires-statement constraint (Q21510864)) is violated for documentary... (see for instance Narbonne, la seconde Rome (Q120214690)).
What should we do : Change the constraint ? Use an other property ? (in the latter case, it should be explicit and added documentary as conflicts-with constraint (Q21502838))
Pinging top user of this property @Frettie, Barcex, Beat Estermann, Oliviervd, Mbch331: (with NavelGazer).
Cdlt, VIGNERON en résidence (talk) 09:04, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- @VIGNERON en résidence: I just found recorded participant (P11108) (a property dedicated to documentary works). I'm going to add the conflicts-with constraint (Q21502838) constraint. (I'm still not sure about people appearing in archive material who are not actively participating, should depicts (P180) be used in these cases?) - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:05, 11 July 2023 (UTC)