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National Library of Australia ID
identifier for people per National Library of Australia (see also P409 for the older Libraries Australia identifier). Format: 6 to 8 digits.

Description	National Library of Australia party identifier
Represents	National Library of Australia (Q623578)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	According to this template: geographic location (Q2221906), organization (Q43229), human (Q5) According to statements in the property: human (Q5) and organization (Q43229) When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values	[1-9]\d{5,7}
Example	Andrew Barton Paterson (Q436699) → 514760 Isaac Aaron (Q15994254) → 1500864 Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (Q1117048) → 458251
Source	According to this template: People Australia has a Open Archives Initiative Protocol for Metadata Harvesting (Q2430433) interface to extract the information. According to statements in the property: https://trove.nla.gov.au/people/result?q= When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Formatter URL	https://trove.nla.gov.au/people/$1
Tracking: usage	no label (Q61034948)
Related to country	Australia (Q408) (See 108 others)
See also	Libraries Australia ID (P409)
Lists	Items with the most statements Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history Chart by item creation date Mix'n'match (Report) Database reports/Humans with missing claims/P1315 Database reports/Constraint violations/P1315
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	79,311
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Format “[1-9]\d{5,7}”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help) Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1315#Format, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)

Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help) Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Known exceptions: Edgar Allan Poe (Q16867), Nora Roberts (Q231356) List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1315#Single value, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)

Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help) Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1315#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value), SPARQL (new)

Type “human (Q5), organization (Q43229)”: element must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “human (Q5), organization (Q43229)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help) Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Known exceptions: RMS Titanic (Q25173) List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1315#type Q5, Q43229, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as references (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help) List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1315#scope, hourly updated report, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)

More information needed

Right now the English label for this property is: "People Australia identifier". AFAIK the identifier is also used for companies etc (see: domain). Can someone add more information to the background of the project? Is it a kind of Australian VIAF? --Kolja21 (talk) 14:40, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

AFAICT, yes, it is. Ijon (talk) 16:15, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Background

• Australian Research Data Commons (ARDC)
  • ARDC Party Infrastructure Project: FAQs

• Catalog NLA Trove: People and organisations
  • Name of the identifier: NLA Persistent Identifier

• Ambiguous (label: "NLA"): Libraries Australia ID (P409)
  • better (?): Libraries Australia Authorities

Please add more ...

Decision time

This seems to work for either people or party (or some others). Given its usage here, and >1M entries for people, I'd say we should use it for people only. --Magnus Manske (talk) 13:01, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Nonetheless, the data set in Mix'n'match definitely contains orgs as well as people, and a few geonames to boot. Ijon (talk) 16:16, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Single value?

This data set definitely contains multiple IDs for the same thing. E.g. for Soviet Union (Q15180). This isn't a one-in-10,000 exception. More like one in a hundred. Ijon (talk) 16:18, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

and, uh, British Library (Q23308)...

Perhaps @Wittylama: knows someone at the NLA who could shed light on why there are so many IDs for the British Library? Ijon (talk) 17:16, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

I asked via Twitter and this was the response across several tweet replies: "So it looks like there was a problem with the initial data load from Libraries Australia back in 2009. We're looking into the solution. Fixing this isn't going to happen quickly. It will need some long term data work and will need to be looked at in the future. FYI, the People zone, where you get the NLA party id, is based on Encoded Archival Context - Corporate bodies, Persons, and Families. This is why you will see organisations as well people in there. The schema is here - http://eac.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/ ". [1][2][3][4].

I hope that helps. Wittylama (talk) 09:03, 25 October 2017 (UTC)