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NLR ID
identifier for authority control used at the National Library of Romania
DescriptionAuthority control identifier used at the National Library of Romania - National Library of Romania (Q622012)
RepresentsNational Library of Romania (Q622012)
Associated itemNational Library of Romania (Q622012)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domain
According to this template: persons
According to statements in the property:
organization (Q43229), fictional organization (Q14623646), human (Q5), group of humans (Q16334295), house name (Q19913602), fictional character (Q95074), convention (Q625994), newspaper (Q11032), theatre (Q24354), film (Q11424), literary work (Q7725634) and park (Q22698)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values\d{9}
ExampleGeorge Enescu (Q77177)000331371
Franz Kafka (Q905)000116890
Batavia (Q810735)000365831
Formatter URLhttp://alephnew.bibnat.ro:8991/F?func=find-b&request=$1
Tracking: usageno label (Q61034943)
Related to country  Romania (Q218) (See 8 others)
Lists
Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses1,290
Search for values
  Format “\d{9}: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1003#Format, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
  Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1003#Single value, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
  Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1003#Unique value, hourly updated report, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value), SPARQL (new)


Property constraint NLR (Romania) identifier (draft)Edit

occurences so far; see special:WhatLinksHere/Property:P1003

  1. they have a fixed 9 digit length (example: 000075857)
  2. digits only
  3. multiple occurences at one Wikidata page are allowed
  4. the value 000000000 should be blacklisted
  5. one value is allowed to be used at one Wikidata page only (else this is a conflict / impropper reference)

I need to leave. Regards לערי ריינהארט (talk)

Please first correct your old errors before thinking what else could be done.
1. Your proposal does not make any sense: "viaf:27069077 is using for the future RNL [now: NLR] the value Sys. no.: 000149614."
  • VIAF:27069077 (Marilyn Monroe) is not using NLR.
  • What do you know about "the future NLR"?
  • The basic information is missing: Where and how can the NLR identifier be found?
2. Here you wrote that Marilyn Monroe (Q4616) has two and Paul Celan (Q153905) even four authority files.
  • As far as I know there is one authority file for Monroe and Celan has no authority number yet. (One would be fine, four numbers don't make sense.)
Paul Celan (Q153905) see ro:talk:Paul Celan and LibraryThing: Paul Celan (1920–1970) Gangleri (talk) 10:46, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Please note that not all numbers you find in an OPAC are authority records.
--Kolja21 (talk) 00:40, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Edited replacing 'RNL with NLR. Further comments will follow. לערי ריינהארט (talk) 01:52, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
ro:Mihail Șolohov not eo:Mihail Șolohov shows how the identifiers can be searched (and found).
linkification: Rezultate pentru System Number= 000354872 i. e. RNL value 000354872
http://alephnew.bibnat.ro:8991/F?func=find-b&request=000354872&find_code=SYS&adjacent=Y&local_base=NLR10
~ 36 more examples can be found at ro:special:Contributions/לערי ריינהארט לערי ריינהארט (talk) 02:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
BNR is an abbreviation known in Romania and Moldovia but not in Sri Lanka, Tansania, Chile etc.
If you look carefully at the url parameters you may find the string NLR indicating that people maintaining the librarian software are using the English abbreviation. I reaslized this after I identified the method to search and found the identifier values. לערי ריינהארט (talk)


edit conflict


Please first correct your old errors before thinking what else could be done.
1. You proposed a property called "RNL (Romania)", than you changed the label into "NLR".[1]
  • The abbreviation for "Biblioteca Naţională a României" is BNR.
  • Please clean up the chaos.
2. Your proposal does not make any sense. You wrote: "viaf:27069077 is using for the future RNL the value Sys. no.: 000149614."
  • VIAF:27069077 (Marilyn Monroe) is not using RNL.
  • What do you know about "the future RNL"?
  • The basic information is missing: Where and how can the RNL identifier be found?
3. Here you wrote that Marilyn Monroe (Q4616) has two and Paul Celan (Q153905) even four authority files.
  • As far as I know there is one authority file for Monroe. Celan has no authority number yet. (One would be fine, four numbers don't make sense.)
  • Please note that not all numbers you find in an OPAC are authority records.
--Kolja21 (talk) 01:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Wow, you even turned this discussion page into a mess.

  • "eo:Mihail Șolohov shows ...": "La Vikipedio ne enhavas artikolon kun precize tiu ĉi nomo" (= no article).
  • Michail Sholokhov (Q42398) has four "Headings": 000354872, 000217258, 000215505, 000330380
  • You've added in WD the number: 000086175
  • NLR/BNR OPAC shows "LC Authority Record": 000215505

I'm not convinced that your way of searching provides us with a valid authority ID. --Kolja21 (talk) 02:43, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

ro:Mihail Șolohov not eo:Mihail Șolohov I18n (talk) 10:09, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello Gangleri, it doesn't make life easier if you log in with multiple accounts (לערי ריינהארט / Gangleri / I18n / Леонид Розенфельд / and IPs). And PLEASE STOP changing my edits on discussion pages.[2] It's hard enough to find out what you are talking about, but at least I want to know what I've written. So please focus on the main question: Where and how can the NLR identifier be found? If you enter multiple IDs for persons it's not what authority control is meant for. (Example: Your edits on Marilyn Monroe.) --Kolja21 (talk) 15:14, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

identifying NLR identifiers via searchEdit

The chance to find a system number depends on how common a name (family name given name) is, it depends on the characters used (it is easier to identify AC values for names with ASCII characters only) it depends if en:S-comma / en:T-comma or S-cedilla / T-cedilla is used. Foreign names might be transliterated as you may see in the identifeirs for:

Sergei Eisenstein (Q8003) using two values:
http://alephnew.bibnat.ro:8991/F?func=find-b&request=000331156&find_code=SYS&adjacent=Y&local_base=NLR10
000331156 Eisenštejn, Serghej Mihajloviců (1898-1948)
http://alephnew.bibnat.ro:8991/F?func=find-b&request=000074163&find_code=SYS&adjacent=Y&local_base=NLR10
000074163 Eisenštejn, Serghej Mihajloviců
Giorgos Seferis (Q165823) using two values as well:
http://alephnew.bibnat.ro:8991/F?func=find-b&request=000201087&find_code=SYS&adjacent=Y&local_base=NLR10
000201087 Seferis, Ghiorghios
http://alephnew.bibnat.ro:8991/F?func=find-b&request=000201088&find_code=SYS&adjacent=Y&local_base=NLR10
000201088 Seferis, Yorgos

You need to consider how the chances for your search would be. In the example below the first line is no valid url. MediaWiki URLENCODE would normally help. At some WMF projects as rowiki an automatic character conversion from en:S-comma / en:T-comma to S-cedilla / T-cedilla takes place both after preview and when saving a page.

One of the simpler examples without character from East European countries is:

As in many catalogs participating in VIAF there are examples where one author has multiple AC records. As Cat Stevens (Q154216) etc. Marilyn Monroe (Q4616) is using two different identifier values (000343620 and 000149614) but George Enescu (Q77177) is using ony one only: 000331371.

There are no better links today (links to authority records) as those to other national libraries listing all different spellings for an author, date of birth, date of death if applicable, etc. This is was is available today. לערי ריינהארט (talk) 20:20, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Instead of thinking about ASCII characters and the limitations of the time we live in, it might be wise to take a look on how to find authority records in catalogs maintained by the Ex Libris Group using Aleph as integrated library system.
Take for example the National Library of Latvia (Q1133733):
  1. https://lira.lanet.lv/F/?
  2. click on "English"
  3. Browse
  4. Select index to browse: Author
  5. Monroe
  6. Monroe, Marilyn, 1926-1962 - [LC Authority Record]
  7. Click on "Authority Record"
  8. Result: Monroe, Marilyn, 1926-1962 = 000047214
Now finding this number might be a coincidence, a pure mood of technology. So we make a test and look up the actress in VIAF.
  1. VIAF 27069077
  2. Result: Monroe, Marilyn, 1926-1962 = LNB|LNC10-000047214
Instead of waiting year after year that the National Library of Romania (Q622012) introduce authority control you could have done the same simple steps in their catalog. And now please stop adding all kinds of numbers you've extracted from different URLs and start using authority control. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:42, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Examples:

  1. Rose Ausländer (Q60873)
    1. You have added: NLR 000322507 [3]
    2. NLR authority file ("Înregistrare de autoritate NLR"): No record
  2. Anton Sterbling (Q101235)
    1. You have added again: NLR 000322507 [4]
    2. NLR authority file: 000210788 (Sterbling, Anton)

--Kolja21 (talk) 22:54, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

ro:file:Exemplu căutare la catalogul BNR.jpg shows that the links work. No clue why you state that no results are found. לערי ריינהארט (talk) 00:03, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Read en:Authority control and then again the above instruction how to find the correct numbers. All your edits needs to be re-examined. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:27, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

NLR 000000000Edit

Property talk:P214#blacklistVIAF Property talk:P214#new constraint violations about deprecated VIAF identifiers is about handling deprecated VIAF identifiers using a future (property) identifier blacklist. Property talk:P244#blacklistLCCN is about blacklisting LCCN 000000000. לערי ריינהארט (talk) 21:46, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

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