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Canadiana Authorities ID
obsolete identifier for authority control per the Library and Archives Canada. Format: 4 digits + 1 letter + 4 digits + optional F
DescriptionCanadiana Authorities control Number per the Library and Archives Canada
RepresentsLibrary and Archives Canada (Q913250)
Applicable "stated in" valueLibrary and Archives Canada (Q913250)
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainNames, Titles (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Allowed values\d{4}[A-Z]\d{4}F?
ExampleElizabeth M. Boyer (Q5362452)0101B0989
Piers Anthony (Q559409)0073L0378
Format and edit filter validationThe string seems to consists of four numerical digits, a letter and another four numerical digits. Some records have -E or -F endings to indicate English or French equivalents. These endings should be removed (link will take you to a combined record page).
Sourcehttp://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/canadiana-authorities/index/
Formatter URLhttps://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/canadiana-authorities/index/view?index_name=cdnAutNbr&search_text=$1&page=1&cdnAutNbr=$1
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P1670 (Q61034953)
Related to country  Canada (Q16) (See 111 others)
See alsoCanadiana NCF ID (P8179)
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Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total6,461
Main statement6,41099.2% of uses
Qualifier2<0.1% of uses
Reference490.8% of uses
Search for values
[create Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here]
 
Format “\d{4}[A-Z]\d{4}F?: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1670#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
 
Conflicts with “instance of (P31): Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410), Wikimedia category (Q4167836): this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1670#Conflicts with P31, hourly updated report, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
 
Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Known exceptions: Dictionary of Canadian Biography (Q838302)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1670#Single value, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
 
Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1670#Unique value, hourly updated report, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value), SPARQL (new)
 
Item “instance of (P31): Items with this property should also have “instance of (P31)”. (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1670#Item P31, hourly updated report, search, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
 
Qualifiers “named as (P1810), alternate names (P4970), reason for deprecation (P2241), reason for preferred rank (P7452): this property should be used only with the listed qualifiers. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1670#Allowed qualifiers, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
 
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1670#allowed entity types, SPARQL (new)
 
Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1670#scope, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
 
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Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)



E/F postfixEdit

Hello, as I understand 'E' or 'F' postfix mean language, English or French. ID without this postfix points to the same record. I have planes to remove this postfix from all items. Is there some opposition? — Ivan A. Krestinin (talk) 18:22, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

  DoneIvan A. Krestinin (talk) 19:57, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
If this was removed back in 2015, why is [EF] still part of the constraint? I'm trying to add 0017B9238‏ for Edward Kruk, and I get an error. Also, the link it generates isn't correct, with or without an E at the end. Nick Number (talk) 15:36, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Allowed valuesEdit

According to http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/services/canadiana/canadiana-authorities/Pages/canadiana-authorities.aspx#authorities there's an optional hyphen around the central [A-Z], so shouldn't the allowed values read as \d\d\d\d[A-Z,\-A-Z\-]\d\d\d\d instead? LeadSongDog (talk) 15:30, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

No. Otherwise this would complicate matching identifiers for distinct value constraints or finding existing items with a given value.
--- Jura 07:13, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

It can finish by a characterEdit

Hello, somme reference finish by a character. Ex : 1001C8015e 1001C8015e. Please, update the model. Thanks, --Bergil (talk) 08:31, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Records that don't exist without 'E' or 'F' appendedEdit

There are instances where dropping the closing 'E' or 'F' (English/French) indicator does not seem to work. Please see:

and

How should these record(s) be recorded? Thank you-- TimK MSI (talk) 10:38, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Important changeEdit

Notice on the website

"Library and Archives Canada (LAC) will no longer be updating the Canadiana Name Authorities Search; however, the site will continue to be searchable until March 2019. LAC stopped creating new authorities in AMICUS in September 2018 and will resume creating new authorities in OCLC’s integrated library management system, WorldShare Management Services (WMS), in late fall or early winter. English-language authority records will be created in the Name Authority Cooperative Program (NACO) file, and French-language authorities will be created in a separate file."

And more details FAQ :

"While many organizations around the world maintain French-language authority files, there is currently no international shared French-language authority program comparable to what is available in English through NACO. For this reason, LAC has now begun to maintain its separate French-language name authority file using the WMS Canadiana Name Authorities in French functionality. LAC’s French-language authority data will continue to be freely accessible at www.viaf.org."

--BeatrixBelibaste (talk) 18:23, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

That means, NONE LAC-ID is useful at this time, and nobody knows, if or when this will change and the system can be accessed again. Eisbaer44 (talk) 07:12, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

LAC Authority ReorganizationEdit

T.seppelt (talk) 21:00, 18 February 2016 (UTC) Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 11:59, 13 March 2017 (UTC) GerardM (talk) 15:58, 26 March 2017 (UTC) Jonathan Groß (talk) 17:52, 26 March 2017 (UTC) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits Jneubert (talk) 13:47, 29 April 2017 (UTC) Framawiki (please notify !) (talk) Sic19 (talk) 20:42, 12 July 2017 (UTC) Wikidelo (talk) 21:15, 8 May 2018 (UTC) salgo60 Salgo60 (talk) 07:09, 10 June 2018 (UTC) ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:52, 22 August 2018 (UTC) PKM (talk) 19:40, 23 August 2018 (UTC) Ettorerizza (talk) 06:44, 8 October 2018 (UTC) Fuzheado (talk) 03:47, 19 December 2018 (UTC) Daniel Mietchen (talk) 16:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC) Eihel (talk) 15:13, 19 June 2019 (UTC) NAH (talk) 20:29, 18 August 2019 (UTC) Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 21:48, 3 October 2019 (UTC) Epìdosis (talk) 23:49, 22 November 2019 (UTC) Sotho Tal Ker (talk) 00:52, 1 May 2020 (UTC) Bargioni (talk) 09:48, 02 May 2020 (UTC) --Carlobia (talk) 14:34, 11 May 2020 (UTC) Pablo Busatto (talk) 03:22, 23 June 2020 (UTC) --Matlin (talk) 10:53, 6 July 2020 (UTC) Emu (talk) 18:26, 19 July 2020 (UTC) Msuicat (talk) 21:57, 27 August 2020 (UTC) Uomovariabile (talk) 10:04, 27 October 2020 (UTC) Silva Selva (talk) 17:21, 30 November 2020 (UTC) 1-Byte (talk) 15:52, 14 December 2020 (UTC) Alessandra.Moi (talk) 17:26, 16 February 2021 (UTC) CamelCaseNick (talk) 21:20, 20 February 2021 (UTC) [[--Songceci (talk) 18:45, 24 February 2021 (UTC)]]   Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control I want to second the above observation, and add something:

I've contacted Diane Beattie for possible clarifications:

  • Are all former LAC records in VIAF now available under code CAOONL?
  • How can the former Canadiana codes (eg 0101B0989) be migrated to the new coding (eg ncf10149073)? I guess an option is described at http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/fra/services/catalogue-collectif-national/Pages/foire-questions-contrat-oclc.aspx "LAC will also keep French authority records in files that will be freely available to interested libraries and organizations on an FTP server. To obtain these files, contact LAC by writing to bac.servicesauxlibraries-libraryservices.lac AT canada.ca"
  • Is there a LAC authority search, or a site that displays short biographical info about each person?

--Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 09:17, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

As far as I can tell Canadiana Authorities have not been abandoned. What has changed is LAC has moved to a new online public access catalog (Q1982918); from AMICUS to Aurora (and Voilà for NUC; both are based on OCLC WorldShare Management Services): see A new library management system to share Canada’s published documentary heritage.

I have not been able to find an interface/search method similar to the old abandoned interface Canadiana Authorities anywhere including Aurora (where I would expect such).

The MARC records still use the same 016 - National Bibliographic Agency Control Number (R) field values as they always have (you can see in the 909 field this is the "LAC" identifier) but they do have new 001 - Control Number (NR) that is identified as "CAOONL". I expect this is just because the records are now maintained in a foreign database and the records are now mixed in with others (notice all the Canadiana Authorities CAOONL record numbers are prefixed with "ncf"; I bet their are other "CAOONL" records that are not).

OCLC WorldShare Record Manager help pages now mention Canadiana Authorities (with a recent "Last updated" date of 2019-09-26).

As such, I do not think there is anything wrong with our records in general. We do however, probably want to find a better way to link them to some sort of Linked Open Data (Q18692990) interface. I hope LAC and OCLC can help provide this via their WMS-based Aurora OPAC or similar.

Uzume (talk) 20:05, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
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