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US Congress Bio ID
identifier for a person on the Biographical Directory of the United States Congress

Description	An identifier for the listing of the person on the Biographical Directory of the United States Congress - Biographical Directory of the United States Congress (Q1150348)
Associated item	United States Congress (Q11268)
Applicable "stated in" value	Biographical Directory of the United States Congress (Q1150348)
Has quality	case insensitive (Q55121183)
Data type	External identifier
Template parameter	en:Template:Bioguide, en:Template:CongLinks
Domain	person (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Allowed values	[A-Z]00[01]\d{3}
Example	Theodore Roosevelt (Q33866) → R000429 Jefferson Monroe Levy (Q5676959) → L000268
Source	Member IDs from the "Biographical Directory of the United States Congress" https://bioguide.congress.gov/
Formatter URL	https://bioguide.congress.gov/search/bio/$1 https://bioguide.congress.gov/search/bio/$1.json https://www.congress.gov/member/_/$1 (Only works for people who served in the 93rd Congress (1973) onwards) https://bioguideretro.congress.gov/Home/MemberDetails?memIndex=$1 https://bioguide.congress.gov/search/bio/$1.xml
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P1157 (Q55101155)
Related to country	United States of America (Q30) (See 771 others)
See also	Arizona State Legislators: Then & Now ID (P10545), Women in the Legislature ID (P10029), South Dakota legislator ID (P3229), Minnesota legislator ID (P3160), Michigan Legislative Bio ID (P10441)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Map of people by place values: place of birth educated at work location residence place of death place of burial January 1st dates People with date of birth on January 1 People with date of death on January 1 People with both dates on January 1 Database reports/Humans with missing claims/P1157 Database reports/Constraint violations/P1157 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 18,858 Main statement 12,992 68.9% of uses Qualifier 2 <0.1% of uses Reference 5,864 31.1% of uses
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Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1157#Single value, hourly updated report, SPARQL

Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1157#Unique value, hourly updated report, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)

Format “[A-Z]00[01]\d{3}|”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1157#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL

Item “instance of (P31): human (Q5)”: Items with this property should also have “instance of (P31): human (Q5)”. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1157#Item P31, hourly updated report, search, SPARQL

Item “sex or gender (P21)”: Items with this property should also have “sex or gender (P21)”. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1157#Item P21, hourly updated report, search, SPARQL

Item “place of birth (P19)”: Items with this property should also have “place of birth (P19)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1157#Item P19, search, SPARQL

Item “date of birth (P569)”: Items with this property should also have “date of birth (P569)”. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1157#Item P569, hourly updated report, SPARQL

Item “position held (P39): member of the United States House of Representatives (Q13218630), President of the United States (Q11696), non-voting member of the U.S. House of Representatives (Q5253588), Resident Commissioner of Puerto Rico (Q1294433), Vice President of the United States (Q11699), United States senator (Q4416090), Delegate to the Continental Congress (Q127663568)”: Items with this property should also have “position held (P39): member of the United States House of Representatives (Q13218630), President of the United States (Q11696), non-voting member of the U.S. House of Representatives (Q5253588), Resident Commissioner of Puerto Rico (Q1294433), Vice President of the United States (Q11699), United States senator (Q4416090), Delegate to the Continental Congress (Q127663568)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1157#Item P39, search

Item “country of citizenship (P27): United States of America (Q30)”: Items with this property should also have “country of citizenship (P27): United States of America (Q30)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1157#Item P27, search, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1157#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1157#Scope, SPARQL

Item “occupation (P106): politician (Q82955)”: Items with this property should also have “occupation (P106): politician (Q82955)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1157#Item P106, search, SPARQL

Label required in languages: en: Entities using this property should have labels in one of the following languages: en (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1157#Label in 'en' language, search, SPARQL

This property is being used by: Module:Authority control (Q11640331) la:Formula:Fontes biographici de:Vorlage:Kongressbio ar:قالب:ضبط استنادي hu:Sablon:Amerikai kongresszusi életrajzok ko:틀:위키데이터 속성 추적 fr:Modèle:CongBio he:תבנית:ביו-קונגרס wikt:ko:틀:위키데이터 속성 추적 incubator:Template:Wp/jje/위키데이터 속성 추적 Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Allow or disallow empty values?

Today, User:Jura1 insisted on allowing the empty string as identifier value for this property. I wonder about the reasons for this. In my view, the empty string should be disallowed as identifier value, because missing identifier values will not direct users to the information that the presence of this property implies. In my view, statements with this property but an empty-string value should be fixed (the correct value should be added) or should be removed, but should not be accepted as if they were OK. Thoughts/Reasons? --UV (talk) 14:51, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Do you plan using this property or is this just an empty debate? It seems you spent quite some time on this talk page, but contributed nil. --- Jura 14:54, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

User:Jura1, in your above reply, (a) I fail to see any argument that would advocate to allow the empty string as identifier value for this property, and (b) I fail to see what the points you have raised in your above reply have at all to do with the question of whether the empty string should be allowed as identifier value for this property.

Nevertheless, let me answer the first part of your counterquestion: Yes, I plan using this property on la.wikipedia, and I have already long ago modified la:Template:CongBio to use the value from wikidata in rendering la.wikipedia articles. --UV (talk) 21:17, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

In any case, it wont have any adverse effect on your edit on Q600393. Your edit will still pass the constraint check, be reassured. If you have any other issues with John Dingell, Jr. (Q600393), I will try to help you expand the item. --- Jura 21:29, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

The correct value to set when you don't know what the value is is "unknown" (a special value); when you know the statement does not have a value, "no value" (another special value). The use of an empty string is thus valueless in the context of Wikidata, because the only other option is "some value" in which case we should add the actual (or past) value. --Izno (talk) 03:17, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Agree, though I don't think you can actually set a string statement to an empty string. Now we just need to find the correct values for this special values in the regex. Any suggestions? --- Jura 04:18, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

agree with -Izno — for any unique ID property that can be attributed considering the concerned DB, either the value exists, either it does not exist, yet, which should be stated with "no value" + date of consultation as qualifier.

I can't even see when the "unknown value" could be used, since, even if you/I don't know the value, it either exists, or not… but cannot be unknown - these IDs are recent data, for which there is no "unknown", even less an empty string :/ --Hsarrazin (talk) 15:35, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Unknown might not be necessary in the use case of an ID but it's obviously necessary in the case of birthday (CalendarType) or a diminutive name (StringType), etc. --Izno (talk) 20:26, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Jura, I think regards the regex it's not necessary; consumers (should) know that there are special values that can be output in a query. This includes both our constraint checks as well as any other random external or internal consumer. Since our primary concern in this context is the constraint check and presumably the constraint bot, we should just ping the bot owner (memory says it's Ivan? I don't keep track) to make sure he's not considering no value/unknown value to be bad values. Or if he is, to separate them into a different part of the report. (This is a general comment regards the constraint reports and not specifically this property, though.) --Izno (talk) 20:26, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

I suppose this is regarding David Palmer (Q249898)? --Izno (talk) 20:29, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

It's mainly about Franklin Delano Roosevelt (Q8007). As you have taken it upon you to revert my regex edit would you make sure you fix it? --- Jura 20:33, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm happy to follow up with the bot owner, but regardless we shouldn't change the regex. --Izno (talk) 20:38, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Please keep us informed. --- Jura 20:39, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Iz it good now? --- Jura 06:09, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Izno, would you summarize the result? --- Jura 06:53, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Bot op won't change the bot, and I and UV disagree with your change to the regex. If you think the value should be excepted (I don't), use the normal exceptions method. --Izno (talk) 14:39, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

@Izno, UV, Hsarrazin, Gymel, Ivan A. Krestinin‎:: Do we all agree that "no value" should be accepted in statements? Do we also agree that the definition of the identifier at Q20205343 shouldn't be changed? --- Jura 15:10, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Jura1 there must be some implicit assumptions for your question I cannot grasp, probably in the lines of assumed completeness of that resource. However [1] does not show many U.S. presidents, the dozend or so I checked had either been congressmen too or at least vice presidents (IIRC the VP is presiding congress and therefore can be considered a member). Anyway: If you want to enforce a constraint that any member of the United States House of Representatives (Q13218630) and United States senator (Q13217683) has a US Congress Bio ID (P1157) then perhaps "novalue" might be appropriate to keep those with no online biography out of that report. The "format" constraint then has to be adjusted accordingly (thus P1630 of the property and P1793 of the correcponding item would differ). Some hypothetic congressman without online biography (maybe he was struck by lightning when travelling to his first session) might be equipped with "novalue". The fictional congressman David Palmer (Q249898) could be supplied with "unknown value" (or simply turned into an exception for the constraint). I still don't see why Franklin Delano Roosevelt (Q8007) should carry that property, it doesn't apply to Gandhi and Stalin either. Do you confuse him with the U.S. Representative Franklin Delano Roosevelt Jr. (Q275876)? -- Gymel (talk) 16:23, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

In a similar vein see the official Biography at Deutscher Bundestag of the fictitious Jakob Maria Mierscheid (Q445461). -- Gymel (talk) 16:27, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Well, I'm trying to figure out which points we all agree to. We can then build from there. It's a bit hard to do that as it's clear that some of the participants seem to edit only constraints without actually knowing how they work nor dealing with the resulting reports.

To respond to the point you raised, the issue is with Presidents and VP as they are mentioned as a selection, but likely only included when they had been member of congress. --- Jura 16:53, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

But I still don't see how this can be an issue: Allowing President of the United States (Q11696) in the constraint may be unnecessary broad (and therefore could be left out completely or substituted by Q11699 - usually one would wait and see), but this cannot be the motivation for providing "novalue" for some (methinks quite arbitrary) items? Where to begin and where to stop? IMHO there always should be some maintenance workflow involved to justify "unknown value" or "no value" and that could be discussed on the property talk page. We don't have general rules for utilizing the two special values, and probably never will have. -- Gymel (talk) 18:16, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Accept new "position held" options from Continental Congress

John Hancock https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q272774 has an entry at http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=H000149 noting that he held the positions "President of the Continental Congress" and "Member of the Continental Congress" but the "position held" only accepts the current offices. I'm guessing that the other options from the Continental Congress should be added. Nealmcb (talk) 00:18, 24 March 2019 (UTC)