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National Library of Israel ID (old)
former identifier for authority control used at the National Library of Israel. Replaced with "National Library of Israel J9U ID" (P8189)
DescriptionAuthority control identifier used at the National Library of Israel
RepresentsUnion List of Israel (Q6822333)
Associated itemNational Library of Israel (Q188915)
Applicable "stated in" valueUnion List of Israel (Q6822333)
Data typeExternal identifier
Corresponding templateno label (Q56230968)
Domaindocuments, persons, organizations (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Allowed values\d{9}
ExampleDouglas Adams (Q42)000163846
Adam Mickiewicz (Q79822)000093130
Mishnah (Q191825)000616385
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    Format “\d{9}: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)
    List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P949#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL
    Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)
    Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
    List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P949#Single value, SPARQL
    Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)
    Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
    List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P949#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)
    Item “instance of (P31): Items with this property should also have “instance of (P31)”. (Help)
    Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
    List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P949#Item, search, SPARQL
    Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
    Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
    List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P949#allowed entity types
    Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
    Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
    List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P949#scope, SPARQL
    Item “National Library of Israel J9U ID (P8189): Items with this property should also have “National Library of Israel J9U ID (P8189)”. (Help)
    Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
    List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P949#Item, search, SPARQL

    Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)



    NLI may refer to:

    AuthorityControl.js and Property constraint issues - NLI (Israel) identifierEdit

    See User talk:Tpt#MediaWiki:Gadget-AuthorityControl.js and Property constraint issues. לערי ריינהארט (talk) 06:56, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

    Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint violations/P949 lists as "Single value" violations:
    Abraham Sutzkever (Q330652) : 000128535, 000182462
    This is ok as the VIAF record lists three NLI lines with two different values.
    לערי ריינהארט (talk) 07:17, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

    Database reports/Constraint violations do not update at NLI (Israel) identifierEdit

    The statistics do not update properly.
    Today at Database reports/Constraint violations/P949#top you may see:

    Data time stamp: 15 October 2013 7:07 UTC — Items processed: 179

    לערי ריינהארט (talk) 23:12, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

    No statistics since 15 days. לערי ריינהארט (talk) 09:10, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

    Unstable numbers?Edit

    Example: Adam Mickiewicz (Q79822) / @Laddo: I don't know why you've changed the authority file to NLI 000097326 = "Michaelis, Michael". The Israeli Library Catalogs shows:

    Sys. no.: 000097444
    Personal Names: Mickiewicz, Adam,1798-1855

    I've corrected the information. --Kolja21 (talk) 11:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

    The database system no. seems to be unstable. I've checked Mickiewicz today:

    Sys. no.: 000097524
    Personal Names: Mickiewicz, Adam,1798-1855

    Strange. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:08, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

    I've started a thread @ Project chat. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:50, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
    No answer @ Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2014/05#National Library of Israel. --Kolja21 (talk) 20:53, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

    MARC records:

    Sys. no. (= MARC, field 001): 000097572
    Personal Names: Mickiewicz, Adam,1798-1855
    MARC, field 0167: 000093130
    VIAF:64009368: NLI 000093130

    Looks like we have to use the hidden number shown in the MARC records. I don't know if this number can be used for a catalog link. --Kolja21 (talk) 02:33, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

    If the property is unstable, maybe you should simply ask for is deletion Wikidata:Properties for deletion. --Fralambert (talk) 04:22, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
    @Fralambert: MARC, field 0167 (= the number shown in VIAF) is stable. --Kolja21 (talk) 03:44, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
    My question is more there is a way to make a stable link for a entry or not. Sure the VIAF number is stable. But what is the utility of a database who change is entry each day. --Fralambert (talk) 04:07, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
    Has anybody contacted the NLI? Jonathan Groß (talk) 15:25, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
    @Jonathan Groß: I haven't. Could you do this? NLI is quite useful, since they have a lot of Arabic, Hebrew and Russian transcriptions. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:22, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

    I just sent this mail via contact form to the NLI:

    Dear Sir / Madam,

    I'm writing to you on behalf of the Wikidata project (which is hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation), a sister project of Wikipedia. Wikidata, as its name hints, collects data on various subjects.

    One of many tasks of this project is the collection of Authority Control Data on persons. We aspire to link every Wikidata Item concerning a person with this person's corresponding identifier (number) in National Library Catalogues.

    For this we need stable identifiers. The NLI identifiers linked in the VIAF (Virtual International Authority File) don't seem to be stable.

    Would you be so kind as to tell me: 1) what kind of stable identifier you use for persons in your library database and 2) how we can access those identifiers most easily.

    On thing you would gain from this exchange of resources is the possibility to use Wikidata to enhance you catalogue records. For example, you can add links to Wikipedia articles on authors.

    Best regards, Jonathan Gross

    Let's see how they respond. Jonathan Groß (talk) 13:37, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

    @Jonathan Groß: Thanks! Any response? --Kolja21 (talk) 18:43, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
    None so far. I've stumbled upon a user who was Wikipedian in Residence at the NLI: @דניאל צבי:. Maybe we could ask them for help, if they're still active. Jonathan Groß (talk) 16:49, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
    Gute Idee: he:משתמש:דניאל צבי war 6 Monate bei der NLI und ist auf WP noch aktiv. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:09, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
    I just sent him a message [1], let's see how he responds. Jonathan Groß (talk) 10:09, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
    It seems he has reduced his activity since March and didn't edit after April 13th. Bad timing on my part. Jonathan Groß (talk) 06:30, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
    I just sent him an e-mail, let's see if he responds. Jonathan Groß (talk) 14:09, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
    Today he put me in touch with the NLI, and they responded on the spot. Let's see how this goes. Jonathan Groß (talk) 11:13, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

    Multiple claimsEdit

    There is some problem with property (or bots), so tens of claims are added to some items. Already notified Magnus's bot - Topic:T7stnlull6w2oij4. --Jklamo (talk) 17:26, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

    Why a dozen identifiers?Edit

    Why are there a dozen identifiers for Abraham Lincoln (Q91), isn't the concept supposed to be about having a single identifier? Are they identifying mentions in works?  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs) at 19:49, 8 August 2016‎ (UTC).

    I don't see it as a problem if an item has several identifiers or even a dozen of it, but here it seems that each get several and some even more than 50 (max: 313). This means that we are unlikely to have a reasonable coverage even for items that have an identifier. I suggest we stop additions through Mix'n'match.
    --- Jura 10:42, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
    Problem is that these identifiers seems to cover the works as well and these works identifiers are added to author items. That is simply wrong. --Jklamo (talk) 12:56, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

    External identifier for an archive found in the Information Center for Israeli ArtEdit

    We have External identifier (P1736) for Information Center for Israeli Art artist ID. It looks that External identifier for an "archive found in the Information Center for Israeli Art" doesn't exist yet.

    IL-TAU-ZIFFER - An example for Ziffer House Archive: Documentation and Research Center of Israeli Visual Arts (Q57535814) identifier format in the Information Center for Israeli Art

    Can you create it? רוזמן יצחק (talk) 03:21, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

    This identifier has been dropped from VIAFEdit

    See here: he:ויקיפדיה:דלפק_היעץ_של_הספרייה_הלאומית#מזהה_הספרייה_הלאומית_-_J9U. For those who cannot read hebrew this a rough translation of one answer: "Due to changes in National Library systems we had to reload our identity file to VIAF. During the transition period there will be 2 sources of National Library IDs - NLI (old) and J9U (new). Later NLI will be deleted and only J9U will remain." The old identifier has been pulled from the database now and only the new J9U remains. To avoid what has happened with NLP ID (old) (P1695)   vs. PLWABN ID (P7293)   (users adding new data to old identifier) I suggest that a new property should be created soon. --Sotho Tal Ker (talk) 23:45, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

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