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Story by

Does Wikidata has a property equivalent to "Story by" from en:Template:Infobox film? --Hddty. (talk) 02:32, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

There is now Wikidata:Property proposal/story by . --- Jura 11:18, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Filmography

At Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/Filmography/Nicolas Cage, I tried to improve on the format used by some other lists. --- Jura 21:02, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

  • At the top of that list, there is now Template:Filmography. It generates a few queries and could be used on other filmographies. If you have ideas for queries, don't hesitate to add them or suggest them here.
When trying to complete the list, I came across a couple of role that were announced, but hadn't materialized. To avoid that people add them incorrectly, I added statements with deprecated rank and reason for deprecation (P2241)=announced only (Q60311385). The filmography doesn't include them, but there is a link to a query for these.
If you are trying to find the more interesting films, maybe sorting by the number of Wikipedias that have articles about the films works for you. --- Jura 09:19, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
  • It needs still some adaptation, but the template seems to work just as well on item talk pages, e.g. Talk:Q230636.
It now includes a link to query Magnus Manske's Mix'n'match for each films. --- Jura 08:16, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Talk show

Attempt at an episode: Q60044292. Not sure about the label though. --- Jura 11:18, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Most prolific screenwriter (P58) for TV

See Wikidata:WikiProject_Movies/Numbers/Most_frequent_P58/episodes. --- Jura 10:57, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Music videos

Samples:

Seems we lack complete items for some of the popular ones. --- Jura 08:24, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, noticed that when I stumbled upon a few music video items a while ago. Wikipedia doesn't have many articles about music videos (resulting in few WD items being created) and it seems there's generally not much interest in these works. One of the problems I found is that we don't seem to have a good way to model the relationship between songs/singles and their music videos. These video items use based on (P144), which is rather generic and could mean many things, not necessarily "official music video". And there doesn't seem to be any link from the song items back to the music videos, so it's no wonder most editors don't even realize they exist.
Also, very few film databases have entries for music videos. Looking around, I've found IMVDb (Q16985801) and mvdbase which could be used as new external ID properties. --Kam Solusar (talk) 14:55, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Good point. I found based on (P144) on one and used it on the others, but a better link can probably be made: Wikidata:Property proposal/music video.
Wikipedia articles tend to combine the video with albums/songs/singles/remixes. I think users now attempt to avoid this in items.
I had come across one of the sites you mentioned and added it with described at URL (P973): Q63238191#P973. --- Jura 09:52, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Fast way of adding episode names to season items

Is there a fast way of adding episode names to season items? Manually entering 22~ episode per season is not really what I want to do. --Gonnym (talk) 21:50, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

@Gonnym: You can use SPARQL to check for existing labels (https://w.wiki/5Ur or shorter: https://w.wiki/5Uu) and use QuickStatements to add episode names (with something like this
Q11096052|Len|"Pilot"
Q10945181|Len|"Honor Thy Father"
…

). It's not that easy but might be fast.--CENNOXX (talk) 14:24, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Doesn't seem any faster than manually entering the data to be honest. I was hoping there might have been a tool a missed that can extract the lists of names and ordinals from an episode table in a en.wiki article. --Gonnym (talk) 14:42, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Entering curated movie lists

Is there a preferred way to enter lists of movies curated by institutions, e.g. AFI's 100 Years...100 Movies. This particular list has two editions (1998 and 2007). Citizen Kane is the top movie in both of them. Could we add "part of series" in CK's entity item, reference the Q719345 entity with "series ordinal" set to 1? Or would we rather add "part of" to Q719345 with 100 entries, each pointing to one of the list entries? How could the different editions be specified? Is there any type of film list entered into Wikidata that might serve as an example?--176.198.186.125 18:19, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Modelling of hierarchical animation creation

Please give me an advice how to better model Happy Merry-Go-Round (Q4109736)? It has 48 annual vypusks (issue? release?), each is published as a whole animation film (~10 min) but consists of 2-4 sujets. Each sujet is also distributed as a separated short film (example: Antoshka (Q7475124)). If I create item per each issue how should I connect sujet-issue-whole franchise? --Infovarius (talk) 15:53, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

@Infovarius: I think this could be modelled as a anthology film (Q336144); to connect the sujets to the film you could use part of (P361) and there is also number of parts of this work (P2635) for the number of short films in a vypusk. (I did something similar with Fantasia (Q943192)) . Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 07:30, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Columbo (2): character types

murderer (Q66684895) and murder victim (Q66684901) are nicely summarized on w:List_of_Columbo_episodes#Season_1_(1971–72).

I wasn't sure if these should be added with characters (P674) or with has parts of the class (P2670) on Columbo (Q371207). I used the later for now (Q371207#P2670).

On the episode items, I think this could be added with the object has role (P3831)-qualifier to the cast list. This leaves room for the "character role" being used for an item with the actual character. --- Jura 11:14, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Bechdel test based on unreliable source

A lot of films have the property has quality (P1552) with "fails the bechdel test" (Q45172088) or "passes the Bechdel Test" (Q45171911). For those of you who don't know what the Bechdel test is, see here. However, these statements are often based on only one reference, the website Bechdel Test Movie List (Q45150204, link), which is completely user-generated. It's actually a forum. The source is totally unreliable, so I would send a bot to delete all of the Bechdel test statements that cite that source, if we all agree --Lombres (talk) 12:05, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Is there any reliable source for this information? May be to delete the property completely? --Infovarius (talk) 14:46, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
@Infovarius: if some critic says it, a book or article may be a reliable source. Anyway, I will delete every statement that's based on that source, I'm just learning how to find qualifiers through queries --Lombres (talk) 13:34, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Columbo (1): seasons

Thanks to No Time to Die (Q66619706), I noticed that we missed out on that series.

It has a few interesting aspects, notably that there seem to be different ways of slicing it into seasons. I solved this by creating two "season 10" items:

and setting one to preferred.

I'm not quite sure what to do with "special episodes" (Q3964548). Maybe that could be a third way of ordering them. --- Jura 11:14, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

the 10th season is 3 episodes, the other ones are special episodes. It's the English Wikipedia that should split the page --Lombres (talk) 11:59, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
I added a reference for the two season claims at Q66619706. I couldn't find one for the "special episode" claim, but it should probably be doable as well. Accordingly, it doesn't really matter what enwiki does. --- Jura 21:48, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Random film items to improve

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  Notified participants of WikiProject Movies

As one of the project goals is to improve items, I added a random selection at

It picks from items with the lowest number of statements and should update daily.

There is also a list that only takes items with a sitelink to English Wikipedia at WikiProject_Movies/reports/random/film/enwiki. --- Jura 21:46, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you @Jura1:. I created a version for Arabic Wikipedia since most of the Arabic items need improvement. Could you please explain what "?count" and "?rnd" refer to? --FShbib (talk) 17:30, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
@FShbib: Cool. Thanks for doing that.
BTW, there is no requirement to display the numbers in "columns=". --- Jura 18:16, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Murders in... (Q18214421)

There is a summary of this series of television films at fr:Meurtres_à...#Audience_en_France. I added part of the series (P179) to all items. Some are part of individual seasons (2/3), others are mentioned as "hors saison" (1/3). I'm not sure how to handle the later. Maybe there are 3 possibilites:

  1. use part of the series (P179)=Q72076302 (replacing part of the series (P179)=Murders in... (Q18214421))
  2. use season (P4908)=Q72076302 (in addition to part of the series (P179)=Murders in... (Q18214421))
  3. use part of (P361)=Q72076302 (in addition to part of the series (P179)=Murders in... (Q18214421))

Neither seems particularly convincing. --- Jura 13:19, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

I was for my part never really convinced by the « season »-property model. To me there is multipart works, that can be a literary work published in several tomes, with a narrative coherence, a begin and an end … part of (P361)/follows (P155)/followed by (P156) were enough to model the sequence, with instance of (P31) to note the kind of part the item is about (episode, season, tome, novel sequence (Q2005755), multiparts episodes … Way more flexible than the properties for each narrative genre, and way simpler ultimately.)
I think the question is just ultimately how to handle "out of series" works. I’d go for something with from narrative universe (P1080)   I guess. The sequence is irrevelant and they are coherent narration of there own.
Part of the problem is that the series is ultimately more like an « anthology » of works, unrelated to each other in the narration but are of the same form, than a « feuilleton »-like work with a progression in the narration. I’m wake-up dreaming but I’d hope we already solved this kind of problems, this is not exactly the first time it’s encountered.
I’d use
⟨ subject ⟩ instance of (P31)   ⟨ Q72076302      ⟩
with
⟨ Q72076302      ⟩ subclass of (P279)   ⟨ out of sequence episode ⟩
, and that’s it.
publication date (P577)   is enough to retrieve the sequence of diffusion anyway. author  TomT0m / talk page 15:32, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, in this series, I think most films have different characters and location (it's even the point of the series). Maybe there are some other characteristics that differentiates the "hors-saison" ones.
I'd avoid using a series specific P31 value. --- Jura 16:33, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Then I understand your issue. Logically clearly Q72076302 is clearly a subclass of « out of sequence work » or « work », as the definition of Q72076302 is « Out of sequence work of Meurtre à … », and clearly any example of Q72076302 is also an example of Q72076302. There is a pair of properties designed for this. If you want to avoid them, the alternative is to don’t use at all Q72076302 and use the alternative in terms of statements : the definition can be rewritten « subclass of : out of sequence episode . in fictional universe : Meurtre à » (if you take the model I proposed, which might be wrong). Expand to the definition whenever you mean Q72076302. But to me using the item as instance of (P31) is a perfectly valid way as this is a clearly defined entity. Trying to avoid using it as value for instance of (P31) however is just trying to reinvent instance of (P31). author  TomT0m / talk page 18:05, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
It's a film independently of the way it's inserted in the series (no change to P31) or whatever its role in the entire opus (whatever variation of P361 is used). Maybe you are just mixing P361 and P31. --- Jura 08:45, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

BTW, here is a map of film locations/narrative locations --- Jura 08:45, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

movies parts of a film festival edition (Q27787439)

Hi,

I wanted to model the movies that are part of this year’s slash Filmfestival (Q27981131) (also have to create items for all these editions ^_^), but I have found neither guidelines nor example items where this is done. Would that be in scope? And how would we do it? Most obvious would be has part (P527) but if I recall correctly it has a mandatory inverse property, and I could not find any good subproperty of it (tracklist (P658) nor list of works (P1455) have different domains).

Any thoughts? :) Jean-Fred (talk) 07:51, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

@Jean-Frédéric: Better to use participant in (P1344) in a film. --Infovarius (talk) 15:02, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

"Featured in/features" relationship

Hi there - does anyone know if there is a property that could express another creative work (painting, song, sculpture) being featured in a movie? There are a lot of movies that feature other works in a significant way and this seems like something Wikidata could capture beautifully. I'm cross-posting this to Wikiproject Music, btw. Thanks! Wskent (talk) 15:55, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

"film by" in item description

For instances of film, I feel the use of "film by <director name>" in the item description should instead be "film directed by <director name>" because films generally have more than one creator. What do we think? Quilt Phase (talk) 05:23, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

+1 Queryzo (talk) 17:35, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
I feel conflating authorship with directorhood is something worth discussing. Should that be on this page or Wikidata:WikiProject_Movies/Properties#Description? Quilt Phase (talk) 00:26, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Three property proposals for MPPDA Digital Archive

There are three related property proposals for authority controls related to the MPPDA Digital Archive (Q75848338). Please see below, or at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control. Cheers, -Animalparty (talk) 00:02, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Distribution and roles for a movie

I'M looking and I can't find an example or how-to to flag a role as being a cameo. Also, I'd like to specify if a role is a primary or secondary role. It's important, because when it comes to awards, these people are not in the same categories.

Regards, Antoine --Antoine2711 (talk) 19:13, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Antoine2711: All that can be added by using object has role (P3831), and its values could be: cameo appearance (Q191796), leading actor (Q1765879) and supporting actor (Q1416106). --Esteban16 (talk) 23:28, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

subtitel property ?

Hello Everybody,

I work on swiss film and I would like to know if is already exist a property to indicate the language of the subtitel (c.f. subtitle (Q204028)? If not, would be make sense to ask for create it?

Thanks for your advice

--2le2im-bdc (talk) 14:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Merci @Jura1:! It's sound good. I will try. --2le2im-bdc (talk) 15:42, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Home video releases

For books Wikidata has the possibility to add data items for works and editions (e.g. Dracula (2011 Penguin ed.) (Q28003029) edition or translation of (P629) Dracula (Q41542)). How should similar situations be handled with movies, especially home video releases? See this example, a collection of short movies: Looney Tunes Platinum Collection: Volume 1 (Q16252668) -- Discostu (talk) 20:17, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

producer (P162)

'(for film, this does not include executive producers, associate producers, etc.)' Well, how else am i supposed to add associate producers to a film item? And what about line producer and supervising producer? --Trade (talk) 22:07, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

You can use film crew member (P3092) with a qualifier -- Discostu (talk) 06:17, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Should we also indicate all broader genres via P136 if a film belongs to a sub genre?

Hello, Scarface (Q47075) is of the genre gangster film (Q7444356) which is a subgenre of crime film (Q959790) (as already expressed in Wikidata via subclass-of-relationships). If indicating that Scarface (Q47075) is of the genre gangster film (Q7444356), should I also keep crime film (Q959790) or should I replace it? I often replace broader genres, e.g fiction film (Q12912091) with more specific genres, like drama (Q130232) - should I stop replacing and also keep all broader genres, e.g. fiction film (Q12912091) and drama (Q130232)? Thanks, - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:16, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

I think it is okay to remove properties if a "subclass of"-relationship exists, Help:Basic_membership_properties#subclass_of_(P279) states if A is an instance of class B, and class B is a subclass of class C then there is no need for an additional statement A → C.--CENNOXX (talk) 10:48, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
In general, I'd say yes. Especially for overly broad genres like fiction film (Q12912091). Though I think there are some very, very niche genres out there (for example in the horror genre) and also some that are only used in one country or language region. Those can easily be modelled as subgenres, but I'm not sure how this might affect reusers of our data. Most external databases and usersr probably use broad categories like drama, comedy, scifi, crime, romance, etc. So users of our data would have to make way more queries to get the desired broad genres. --Kam Solusar (talk) 11:43, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
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