Wikidata talk:WikiProject Movies/Archive 3

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Story by

Does Wikidata has a property equivalent to "Story by" from en:Template:Infobox film? --Hddty. (talk) 02:32, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

There is now Wikidata:Property proposal/story by . --- Jura 11:18, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Filmography

At Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/Filmography/Nicolas Cage, I tried to improve on the format used by some other lists. --- Jura 21:02, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

• At the top of that list, there is now Template:Filmography. It generates a few queries and could be used on other filmographies. If you have ideas for queries, don't hesitate to add them or suggest them here.

When trying to complete the list, I came across a couple of role that were announced, but hadn't materialized. To avoid that people add them incorrectly, I added statements with deprecated rank and reason for deprecated rank (P2241)=announced only (Q60311385). The filmography doesn't include them, but there is a link to a query for these.

If you are trying to find the more interesting films, maybe sorting by the number of Wikipedias that have articles about the films works for you. --- Jura 09:19, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

• It needs still some adaptation, but the template seems to work just as well on item talk pages, e.g. Talk:Q230636.

It now includes a link to query Magnus Manske's Mix'n'match for each films. --- Jura 08:16, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Talk show

Attempt at an episode: Q60044292. Not sure about the label though. --- Jura 11:18, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

• main subject (P921) seems to work better as a qualifier on Q60366159. For more about the chair segments, see Q57723305. --- Jura 08:16, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Most prolific screenwriter (P58) for TV

See Wikidata:WikiProject_Movies/Numbers/Most_frequent_P58/episodes. --- Jura 10:57, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Music videos

Samples:

• Gangnam Style (Q17747156)
• Shape of You (Q63237372)
• Q63238191
• Despacito (Q63183401)

Seems we lack complete items for some of the popular ones. --- Jura 08:24, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, noticed that when I stumbled upon a few music video items a while ago. Wikipedia doesn't have many articles about music videos (resulting in few WD items being created) and it seems there's generally not much interest in these works. One of the problems I found is that we don't seem to have a good way to model the relationship between songs/singles and their music videos. These video items use based on (P144), which is rather generic and could mean many things, not necessarily "official music video". And there doesn't seem to be any link from the song items back to the music videos, so it's no wonder most editors don't even realize they exist.

Also, very few film databases have entries for music videos. Looking around, I've found IMVDb (Q16985801) and mvdbase which could be used as new external ID properties. --Kam Solusar (talk) 14:55, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Good point. I found based on (P144) on one and used it on the others, but a better link can probably be made: Wikidata:Property proposal/music video.

Wikipedia articles tend to combine the video with albums/songs/singles/remixes. I think users now attempt to avoid this in items.

I had come across one of the sites you mentioned and added it with described at URL (P973): Q63238191#P973. --- Jura 09:52, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Fast way of adding episode names to season items

Is there a fast way of adding episode names to season items? Manually entering 22~ episode per season is not really what I want to do. --Gonnym (talk) 21:50, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

@Gonnym: You can use SPARQL to check for existing labels (https://w.wiki/5Ur or shorter: https://w.wiki/5Uu) and use QuickStatements to add episode names (with something like this

Q11096052|Len|"Pilot"
Q10945181|Len|"Honor Thy Father"
…

). It's not that easy but might be fast.--CENNOXX (talk) 14:24, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Doesn't seem any faster than manually entering the data to be honest. I was hoping there might have been a tool a missed that can extract the lists of names and ordinals from an episode table in a en.wiki article. --Gonnym (talk) 14:42, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Entering curated movie lists

Is there a preferred way to enter lists of movies curated by institutions, e.g. AFI's 100 Years...100 Movies. This particular list has two editions (1998 and 2007). Citizen Kane is the top movie in both of them. Could we add "part of series" in CK's entity item, reference the Q719345 entity with "series ordinal" set to 1? Or would we rather add "part of" to Q719345 with 100 entries, each pointing to one of the list entries? How could the different editions be specified? Is there any type of film list entered into Wikidata that might serve as an example?--176.198.186.125 18:19, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Modelling of hierarchical animation creation

Please give me an advice how to better model Happy Merry-Go-Round (Q4109736)? It has 48 annual vypusks (issue? release?), each is published as a whole animation film (~10 min) but consists of 2-4 sujets. Each sujet is also distributed as a separated short film (example: Antoshka (Q7475124)). If I create item per each issue how should I connect sujet-issue-whole franchise? --Infovarius (talk) 15:53, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

@Infovarius: I think this could be modelled as a anthology film (Q336144); to connect the sujets to the film you could use part of (P361) and there is also number of parts of this work (P2635) for the number of short films in a vypusk. (I did something similar with Fantasia (Q943192)) . Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 07:30, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Columbo (2): character types

murderer (Q66684895) and murder victim (Q66684901) are nicely summarized on w:List_of_Columbo_episodes#Season_1_(1971–72).

I wasn't sure if these should be added with characters (P674) or with has part(s) of the class (P2670) on Columbo (Q371207). I used the later for now (Q371207#P2670).

On the episode items, I think this could be added with the object has role (P3831)-qualifier to the cast list. This leaves room for the "character role" being used for an item with the actual character. --- Jura 11:14, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Bechdel test based on unreliable source

A lot of films have the property has characteristic (P1552) with "fails the bechdel test" (Q45172088) or "passes the Bechdel Test" (Q45171911). For those of you who don't know what the Bechdel test is, see here. However, these statements are often based on only one reference, the website Bechdel Test Movie List (Q45150204, link), which is completely user-generated. It's actually a forum. The source is totally unreliable, so I would send a bot to delete all of the Bechdel test statements that cite that source, if we all agree --Lombres (talk) 12:05, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Is there any reliable source for this information? May be to delete the property completely? --Infovarius (talk) 14:46, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

@Infovarius: if some critic says it, a book or article may be a reliable source. Anyway, I will delete every statement that's based on that source, I'm just learning how to find qualifiers through queries --Lombres (talk) 13:34, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Columbo (1): seasons

Thanks to No Time to Die (Q66619706), I noticed that we missed out on that series.

It has a few interesting aspects, notably that there seem to be different ways of slicing it into seasons. I solved this by creating two "season 10" items:

• Columbo, season 10^(Q66664246): season of television series (all episodes of 1990 to 2003)
• and Columbo, season 10^(Q3965275): season of television series (3 episodes from 1990-1991)

and setting one to preferred.

I'm not quite sure what to do with "special episodes" (Q3964548). Maybe that could be a third way of ordering them. --- Jura 11:14, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

the 10th season is 3 episodes, the other ones are special episodes. It's the English Wikipedia that should split the page --Lombres (talk) 11:59, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

I added a reference for the two season claims at Q66619706. I couldn't find one for the "special episode" claim, but it should probably be doable as well. Accordingly, it doesn't really matter what enwiki does. --- Jura 21:48, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Random film items to improve

WikiProject Movies has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead.

As one of the project goals is to improve items, I added a random selection at

• WikiProject Movies/reports/random/film.

It picks from items with the lowest number of statements and should update daily.

There is also a list that only takes items with a sitelink to English Wikipedia at WikiProject_Movies/reports/random/film/enwiki. --- Jura 21:46, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you @Jura1:. I created a version for Arabic Wikipedia since most of the Arabic items need improvement. Could you please explain what "?count" and "?rnd" refer to? --FShbib (talk) 17:30, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

@FShbib: Cool. Thanks for doing that.

• ?count is the number of items the query selects from. It seems it times-out if there are more too many (>4000 or 5000). If it gets too high, we need to reduce the maximum number of statements.
• ?rnd is a sequential number from these items that the queries selects from.
  • The approach for enwiki list follows the sample suggested by Matěj Suchánek at Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#SPARQL_query_OFFSET_by_?var_(instead_of_number). It picks 20 sequential ones from the items starting at ?rnd (usually created all at the same time).
  • WD:WikiProject Movies/reports/random/film works slightly differently: ?rnd is chosen within (?count/20). Then, within each 20 segments, one item is picked. Accordingly, the items should be spread out overtime. I just made Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/reports/random/film/itwiki using the same approach. Here ?offset combing ?rnd and ?count is used.

BTW, there is no requirement to display the numbers in "columns=". --- Jura 18:16, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Murders in... (Q18214421)

There is a summary of this series of television films at fr:Meurtres_à...#Audience_en_France. I added part of the series (P179) to all items. Some are part of individual seasons (2/3), others are mentioned as "hors saison" (1/3). I'm not sure how to handle the later. Maybe there are 3 possibilites:

1. use part of the series (P179)=Q72076302 (replacing part of the series (P179)=Murders in... (Q18214421))
2. use season (P4908)=Q72076302 (in addition to part of the series (P179)=Murders in... (Q18214421))
3. use part of (P361)=Q72076302 (in addition to part of the series (P179)=Murders in... (Q18214421))

Neither seems particularly convincing. --- Jura 13:19, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

I was for my part never really convinced by the « season »-property model. To me there is multipart works, that can be a literary work published in several tomes, with a narrative coherence, a begin and an end … part of (P361)/follows (P155)/followed by (P156) were enough to model the sequence, with instance of (P31) to note the kind of part the item is about (episode, season, tome, novel sequence (Q2005755), multiparts episodes … Way more flexible than the properties for each narrative genre, and way simpler ultimately.)

I think the question is just ultimately how to handle "out of series" works. I’d go for something with from narrative universe (P1080) I guess. The sequence is irrevelant and they are coherent narration of there own.

Part of the problem is that the series is ultimately more like an « anthology » of works, unrelated to each other in the narration but are of the same form, than a « feuilleton »-like work with a progression in the narration. I’m wake-up dreaming but I’d hope we already solved this kind of problems, this is not exactly the first time it’s encountered.

I’d use

⟨ subject ⟩ instance of (P31) ⟨ Q72076302    ⟩

with

⟨ Q72076302    ⟩ subclass of (P279) ⟨ out of sequence episode ⟩

, and that’s it.

publication date (P577) is enough to retrieve the sequence of diffusion anyway. author  TomT0m / talk page 15:32, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, in this series, I think most films have different characters and location (it's even the point of the series). Maybe there are some other characteristics that differentiates the "hors-saison" ones.

I'd avoid using a series specific P31 value. --- Jura 16:33, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Then I understand your issue. Logically clearly Q72076302 is clearly a subclass of « out of sequence work » or « work », as the definition of Q72076302 is « Out of sequence work of Meurtre à … », and clearly any example of Q72076302 is also an example of Q72076302. There is a pair of properties designed for this. If you want to avoid them, the alternative is to don’t use at all Q72076302 and use the alternative in terms of statements : the definition can be rewritten « subclass of : out of sequence episode . in fictional universe : Meurtre à » (if you take the model I proposed, which might be wrong). Expand to the definition whenever you mean Q72076302. But to me using the item as instance of (P31) is a perfectly valid way as this is a clearly defined entity. Trying to avoid using it as value for instance of (P31) however is just trying to reinvent instance of (P31). author  TomT0m / talk page 18:05, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

It's a film independently of the way it's inserted in the series (no change to P31) or whatever its role in the entire opus (whatever variation of P361 is used). Maybe you are just mixing P361 and P31. --- Jura 08:45, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

BTW, here is a map of film locations/narrative locations --- Jura 08:45, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

movies parts of a film festival edition (Q27787439)

Hi,

I wanted to model the movies that are part of this year’s slash Filmfestival (Q27981131) (also have to create items for all these editions ^_^), but I have found neither guidelines nor example items where this is done. Would that be in scope? And how would we do it? Most obvious would be has part(s) (P527) but if I recall correctly it has a mandatory inverse property, and I could not find any good subproperty of it (tracklist (P658) nor list of works (P1455) have different domains).

Any thoughts? :) Jean-Fred (talk) 07:51, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

@Jean-Frédéric: Better to use participant in (P1344) in a film. --Infovarius (talk) 15:02, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

"Featured in/features" relationship

Hi there - does anyone know if there is a property that could express another creative work (painting, song, sculpture) being featured in a movie? There are a lot of movies that feature other works in a significant way and this seems like something Wikidata could capture beautifully. I'm cross-posting this to Wikiproject Music, btw. Thanks! Wskent (talk) 15:55, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

"film by" in item description

For instances of film, I feel the use of "film by <director name>" in the item description should instead be "film directed by <director name>" because films generally have more than one creator. What do we think? Quilt Phase (talk) 05:23, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

+1 Queryzo (talk) 17:35, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

• It's what's currently recommended at Wikidata:WikiProject_Movies/Properties#Description (at least for English). --- Jura 17:35, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

I feel conflating authorship with directorhood is something worth discussing. Should that be on this page or Wikidata:WikiProject_Movies/Properties#Description? Quilt Phase (talk) 00:26, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Three property proposals for MPPDA Digital Archive

There are three related property proposals for authority controls related to the MPPDA Digital Archive (Q75848338). Please see below, or at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control. Cheers, -Animalparty (talk) 00:02, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

• Wikidata:Property proposal/MPPDA Digital Archive person ID
• Wikidata:Property proposal/MPPDA Digital Archive film ID
• Wikidata:Property proposal/MPPDA Digital Archive organisation ID

Distribution and roles for a movie

I'M looking and I can't find an example or how-to to flag a role as being a cameo. Also, I'd like to specify if a role is a primary or secondary role. It's important, because when it comes to awards, these people are not in the same categories.

Regards, Antoine --Antoine2711 (talk) 19:13, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Antoine2711: All that can be added by using object has role (P3831), and its values could be: cameo appearance (Q191796), leading actor (Q1765879) and supporting actor (Q1416106). --Esteban16 (talk) 23:28, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

subtitel property ?

Hello Everybody,

I work on swiss film and I would like to know if is already exist a property to indicate the language of the subtitel (c.f. subtitle (Q204028)? If not, would be make sense to ask for create it?

Thanks for your advice

--2le2im-bdc (talk) 14:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

• language of work or name (P407) with a qualifier (e.g. criterion used (P1013)) ? --- Jura 14:46, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Merci @Jura1:! It's sound good. I will try. --2le2im-bdc (talk) 15:42, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Home video releases

For books Wikidata has the possibility to add data items for works and editions (e.g. Dracula (2011 Penguin ed.) (Q28003029)edition or translation of (P629)Dracula (Q41542)). How should similar situations be handled with movies, especially home video releases? See this example, a collection of short movies: Looney Tunes Platinum Collection: Volume 1 (Q16252668) -- Discostu (talk) 20:17, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

producer (P162)

'(for film, this does not include executive producers, associate producers, etc.)' Well, how else am i supposed to add associate producers to a film item? And what about line producer and supervising producer? --Trade (talk) 22:07, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

You can use film crew member (P3092) with a qualifier -- Discostu (talk) 06:17, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Should we also indicate all broader genres via P136 if a film belongs to a sub genre?

Hello, Scarface (Q47075) is of the genre gangster film (Q7444356) which is a subgenre of crime film (Q959790) (as already expressed in Wikidata via subclass-of-relationships). If indicating that Scarface (Q47075) is of the genre gangster film (Q7444356), should I also keep crime film (Q959790) or should I replace it? I often replace broader genres, e.g fiction film (Q12912091) with more specific genres, like drama film (Q130232) - should I stop replacing and also keep all broader genres, e.g. fiction film (Q12912091) and drama film (Q130232)? Thanks, - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:16, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

I think it is okay to remove properties if a "subclass of"-relationship exists, Help:Basic_membership_properties#subclass_of_(P279) states if A is an instance of class B, and class B is a subclass of class C then there is no need for an additional statement A → C.--CENNOXX (talk) 10:48, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

In general, I'd say yes. Especially for overly broad genres like fiction film (Q12912091). Though I think there are some very, very niche genres out there (for example in the horror genre) and also some that are only used in one country or language region. Those can easily be modelled as subgenres, but I'm not sure how this might affect reusers of our data. Most external databases and usersr probably use broad categories like drama, comedy, scifi, crime, romance, etc. So users of our data would have to make way more queries to get the desired broad genres. --Kam Solusar (talk) 11:43, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

date of first performance (P1191) for films

I tend to use date of first performance (P1191) to indicate the world premiere of a film (see e.g. Grozny Blues (Q88012667)), as it was suggested by Máté in the discussion Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Movies/Archive_1#Premiere_date and as I have seen it on other items. MoveFex is of the opinion that it is wrong (see [1]). So now my question: how to indicate that a certain date is not any release date but the date of the world premiere (first screening) of a film? (Currently publication date (P577) is used for any release in any country (even for screenings on festivals), not only for the first release/screening)

1. I can use date of first performance (P1191) (this is wrong, according to MovieFex, but still present at 3081 items (query))
2. I can use publication date (P577) with object has role (P3831) world premiere (Q2500107) (or any other qualifier-value-combination)
3. I can use significant event (P793) première (Q204854) with point in time (P585) (present in 224 items ([2]))

Related discussions I could find:

• Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Movies/Archive_1#Premiere_date
• User_talk:MovieFex#Releases
• Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Movies/Properties#Dates

If date of first performance (P1191) should not be used on films, should this kind of statement as present in 3081 items be moved to another property? Thanks - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 16:00, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

It is perfectly okay to use that on films. Unfortunately, I have not been able to convince MovieFex about it. They've been erasing those statements which I find destructive. The only argument is that it's not listed on the project page (which is not binding), but when I listed it they simply removed it. – Máté (talk) 16:25, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

This was discussed several times and no consens was found to add date of first performance (P1191) extra to publication date (P577).

• Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Movies/Properties#Dates

In Wikidata there is a wide range for editing and nearly everyone does what he/she wants. In this case we've got a guideline. Why creating a next construction zone? Do you realy want to have a discussion of seperating the release dates e.g. Quantum of Solace (Q181540) or any other films? And are you really, really sure that your sources are correct to be 100% sure that the given first release is really the first release? What is the reason that you are not trying to work in one direction?

@Máté: It was not only me that you were not able to convince about that, you asked for weight in and Jura1 did. -- MovieFex (talk) 16:39, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

• date of first performance (P1191) is for live events/broadcasts, not films. Initially it was used for tv series (as it may apply to live TV programs), but that was mostly fixed.

publication date (P577) can be qualified with place of publication to indicate something else than a country. (I'm aware that Maté disagrees). --- Jura 19:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

• I found Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Movies/Properties#Looking_for_right_Properties by Escudero. It seems that the option to use significant event (P793) première (Q204854) with point in time (P585) was approved. Should we move all statements with date of first performance (P1191) to significant event (P793) première (Q204854) with point in time (P585)?

Some related question for films having their world premiere at a festival: If using significant event (P793) première (Q204854) for the date it seems fair to me to use it also to indicate the festival edition and if known the cinema theatre. Which qualifier should I use for the festival edition? presented in (P5072)? To have an example:

significant event	première edit point in time 26 February 2020 presented in 70th Berlin International Film Festival location Theater at Potsdamer Platz 0 references add reference
		add value

Any opinions about this approach? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:47, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

I support this solution! (easy for queries like this: Pixar films). Escudero (talk) 10:04, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

• Sure, I think it's useful if you want to include additional details about the première beyond the date of publication. --- Jura 14:46, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

I would start moving all statements from date of first performance (P1191) to significant event (P793) première (Q204854) with point in time (P585) (also considering location of first performance (P4647)) in two weeks, if no one opposes. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 07:17, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

I do. This makes no sense either and is again a try to establish a second date like date of first performance (P1191) through the backdoor with a wrong use of significant event (P793). -- MovieFex (talk) 21:56, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

This was accepted in 2017 (Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Movies/Properties#Looking_for_right_Properties) and documented at Property_talk:P793. Why do you think it is a "wrong use"? If you don't care about explicitly indicating premiere dates and if you are not interested in it, you don't have to add them. You can also ignore them in queries. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 07:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of statements, possible options

@Máté, Jura1, MovieFex, Escudero: MovieFex is deleting statements indicating the premiere date via significant event (P793) with reason "no consensus" (see e.g. [3]). I don't care how to indicate the premiere date, but I think this is information that should be specified somehow. publication date (P577) is not sufficient for that, as there is no guarantee for completion, besides others. @MovieFex: If you don't like significant event (P793) and if you won't accept it, what would you propose as an alternative? What are there for possibilities to reach some kind of at least minimal agreement where positions are so entranched? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 20:50, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

I totally agree with you. MovieFex's behaviour has unfortunately been very destructive. The reason behind the lack of consensus is only MovieFex's unwillingness to compromise on deleting useful premiere data. I don't mind if it's P793 or P1191 either (although the latter is way easier to query), but deleting data shouldn't be an option. – Máté (talk) 06:51, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

number of viewers/listeners (P5436)

For number of viewers/listeners (P5436) a determination method (P459) is needed as a qualifier. What determination method (P459) should be added if I want to add the (U.S.) viewers of the first broadcast measured by Nielsen?--CENNOXX (talk) 15:29, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Portable People Meter (Q2104916) maybe. -- Discostu (talk) 20:47, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I didn't follow what happened with the property after its creation, but I guess my worries about its usage were right. Seems nobody ever bothered with actually creating items for the different kind of ratings that would be needed to identify what those numbers actually symbolize. For the Nielsen ratings you'd probably have to create items for the kind of viewership numbers that Nielsen publishes (like Live, Live + SD, Live +3, Live +7, etc.) and figure out what ratings the numbers you have specifically represent. Which isn't always easy, since not every source necessarily mentions the specific kind of rating. --Kam Solusar (talk) 23:24, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

P31 statements for television film series

Seems we currently don't have an item for television film series (as in: series of films made for and aired on television). Most such film series are simply tagged as instance of (P31)film series (Q24856) instead, which is not wrong, but TV film series seem to be often treated as kind of a mix of a film series and a TV show. Various TV/film databases also treat them as television series, which leads to constraint violations. So I'm thinking about creating such an item and using it on film series like Murder, She Baked (Q24807155), Tatort (Q689438) or Bruno & Boots (Q52121656). But I'm not sure if there's a clear-cut distinction between series of films produced for TV and TV series with film-length episodes like Sherlock (Q192837). --Kam Solusar (talk) 17:16, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I think we shouldn't re-invent the wheel. If other databases define Sherlock and Tatort as TV series then we should just do the same. At least if we don't have very good reasons for going our own way. -- Discostu (talk) 20:51, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Ok, this seems to be more complex than I thought, some of your examples are only listed as individual films in IMDb. But I still think we shouldn't add a new Q item for that. If other databases list it as TV series, we should do the same. If they list it as individual films, we should use film series. If other databases can't agree, we should use both and give a reference for each. -- Discostu (talk) 20:58, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it reinventing the wheel. Most TV databases just don't seem to be designed to handle such film series made for TV, so they only can either treat them as separate films or as a series. In my experice this decision seems to be often based on how that film series was presented/aired in the country of the database and its audience. Tatort is usually called a "Filmreihe" (film series) and its weekly "episodes" are ususally called films (which they are), not episodes in literature and the media. But some databases, especially foreign ones treat it as a TV series. And The Abominable Bride (Q21931680) is treated as an episodes of Sherlock (Q192837), but also received an Emmy Award for Outstanding Television Movie. Which IMO kinda shows that we shouldn't rely too much on how such databases treat specific cases.

I mean, television film series (or "made-for-tv film series") aren't a new concept that I just invented, there are more then enough mentions in literature and on the web. And I'd say as they are by definition both a film series and television broadcasts, having such an item with the statements instance of (P31)film series (Q24856) and instance of (P31)television program (Q15416), plus maybe has part(s) (P527)television film (Q506240), would make sense IMO. As a subclass of both, it would still be findable via queries. --Kam Solusar (talk) 21:59, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

• Where do we have constraint violations? Maybe we can address these otherwise? --- Jura 08:49, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

  See Aurora Teagarden Mysteries (Q75708946) or Garage Sale Mystery (Q16665698) for example. I guess you could just add film series (Q24856) to the type constraints like someone seems to have already done with fernsehserien.de ID (P5327), or add instance of (P31)television series (Q5398426) to the items, but that kind of feels like just a workaround. --Kam Solusar (talk) 21:59, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

URL to view a movie

I have URL for a film (Q11424) where people can view the movie. What property do I use to store this info in its entity? Do I use official website (P856)? And if so, do I put a qualifier? And what about if it requires to pay?

Regards, Antoine --Antoine2711 (talk) 22:53, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Antoine2711:. We have started discussing the same subject on the french chat room. --2le2im-bdc (talk) 19:42, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Did anything ever get resolved for this? At first I thought video (P10) might be the place for this since it mentions film trailers, but it appears that you can only link to things on Wikimedia Commons. Wiki joho (talk) 18:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Original language of silent films

I found the recommendation under original language of film or TV show (P364) to use N/A (Q21686005) for silent films confusing. After looking at some examples like The Great Train Robbery (Q470329), it seems that you aren't literally supposed to use N/A (Q21686005), but rather that people are changing the input type and entering n/a that way for dialogue (Q131395). Wouldn't spoken language (Q1322198) be more accurate here? The examples I saw also give the original language of the intertitles, but for some reason don't qualify by intertitle (Q245069). Why wouldn't you want to specify that? Wiki joho (talk) 21:57, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Using form of creative work (P7937) on films

Since there exists an own property for artistic form, now (form of creative work (P7937)), I propose to quit using instance of (P31) to indicate structural and/or technical aspects of a film and instead use this new property, especially with respect to these values (and subclasses):

• animated film (Q202866) / live action (Q517386) / live-action animated film (Q25110269)
• 3D film (Q229390)
• silent film (Q226730)
• short film (Q24862) / feature film (Q24869) / featurette (Q3585697)
• anthology film (Q336144)

I would also apply this accordingly to series-related-items (e.g. miniseries (Q1259759)). What do you think? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:45, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Preliminary I would say no. But I'll think more. --Infovarius (talk) 21:37, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

These do seem to be the same kinds of things as the examples given for form of creative work (P7937), such as novel (Q8261). The example with Fringe (Q3815) and drama (Q25372) seems odd to me since drama (Q25372) is a subclass of literary work (Q7725634). There's also the challenge of distinguishing genre and form, which exist on a continuum. On Anna Karenina (Q147787), novel (Q8261) is given as both the genre (P136) and the form of creative work (P7937). This seems pretty clearly to belong under form of creative work (P7937), but not all examples are so straightforward. Wiki joho (talk) 22:37, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Agree. It is much easier to use just

⟨ subject ⟩ instance of (P31) ⟨ novel (Q8261)    ⟩

. --Infovarius (talk) 19:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Alternative for P453 when character isn't listed

When the character someone plays isn't listed in Wikidata, we can't use character role (P453), since that requires an item. However name of the character role (P4633) isn't an alternative either, since that one is for theatre roles only. What then to use? Or do we always need to create an item for a character (that might only appear in one movie)? Mbch331 (talk) 10:56, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Silent Films

Hi All,

If you would like to work on expanding silent films on Wikidata here is a very useful Mix'n'match query for you: [4]

Best, Adam Harangozó (talk) 14:01, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

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Also, there are plenty of early cinema databases that could be added to Mix'n'match: [5] --Adam Harangozó (talk) 14:46, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

How to show a series is completed?

What is the prefered way to show, that a series is completed? Is there any series already using something like this?--CENNOXX (talk) 08:41, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

end time (P582)? --Infovarius (talk) 19:22, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

If count of episode items is higher than number of episodes (P1113), the series will show up at Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/reports/TV episodes/complete. Queryzo (talk) 08:57, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

original film format (P3803)

Should this property be used as a qualifier for Australian Classification (P3156)? --Trade (talk) 08:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Documentary films and Property_proposal/onscreen_participant

It seems that the proposal would lead to quite a lot of changes. The current approach is to as "as themselves" in character role if it isn't implied by the genre of the film (documentary). I haven't really made up my mind about it. Possibly it complicates things more than it solves. This even if talk show guest (P5030) worked out quite well. --- Jura 13:46, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Mapping Geoblocking on Youtube Movies

particularly on youtube, it is very confusing which where you can watch a movie in what languages.

Here are my observations so far:

• Most english language Films have a separate youtube id for North America, non-german-speaking europe and german-speaking europe. Videos for german speaking europe only have german audio. each youtube ID has a fixed audio language? Example: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
• Some films are available everywhere(?) in original audio: Example The Darjeeling Limited

Here is the scheme I came up with:

• I tried to map the audio language of a youtube video with language of work or name (P407) as a qualifier since there is no property for audio language.
• For the region, the video is restricted to, I used the qualifier country (P17)/ assuming, that there is no video explicitly blocked in a certain region while available in all other regions. If that is the case, we should propose two new properties along the line of access is restricted to region(s) and access is blocked in region(s)

Do you have any thoughts on this? Please help by adding youtube ids for your region. --Shisma (talk) 12:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

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For audio language language of work or name (P407) is a good choice. No separate property is needed for that. And I think that country (P17) for countries where it's not blocked is a good solution, otherwise a new property would be needed. Mbch331 (talk) 16:48, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hm, but the standard is to use original language of film or TV show (P364) for films (or videos), isn't it? --Infovarius (talk) 12:33, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Films: yes. Digital representations of films especially if revoiced: no. – Máté (talk) 14:21, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

video (P10) 😀

I've mainly been active with visual arts here on Wikidata till now, but I've recently gotten actively involved in movies too. The reason is: we have more and more full length public domain film files on Wikimedia Commons (many of them thanks to the very diligent work by Racconish), and I've been slowly adding quite a few of these as video (P10) to film items here on Wikidata. It's fun! I've noticed that the Internet Archive also has an increasing number of full-length digitized public domain films, so there's a lot of new stuff to discover, upload and connect to Wikidata items.

I'm also experimenting with this Wikidata-driven movie browser in my Commons userspace: WikiFlix (I should probably give it a different name, haha). You'll find links to various queries there as well. Mainly as FYI, but of course help and comments and thoughts are super welcome :-) Cheers, Spinster 💬 13:01, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Let me know on my Commons talk page of any wish for (acceptable) uploads . Racconish (talk) 16:15, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Current TV seasons (1)

reports/TV seasons/current/by start date lists current TV seasons (if they have start time (P580) and are linked to an item for the series). --- Jura 11:46, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

• reports/TV seasons/current/by ordinal has items for seasons that lack start time (P580), but are the one with the highest number. These can be:

1. the current season
2. the last season where we have series ordinal (P1545) set. Items for later seasons could be incomplete or missing.
3. a season of a series that ended years ago, but the item for the series lacks end time (P582)
4. etc.

I expanded a few, filtering reality series and game shows.

Surprising which series still have new seasons. --- Jura 17:49, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

• I did some more cleanup of TV season items, fixing most of TV seasons/label/as series and labels in Dutch (see De_kroeg).

At Property:P4908#P1552, I noted a few default formats. For English, this means we would have "Perpetuity, season 42" not "forty-second season of Perpetuity". In Italian, it would be "quarantaduesima stagione di Perpetuity".

For series where seasons have names, these are generally used and season items have a title statement or a subtitle qualifier. There are a few other formats in use. --- Jura 08:48, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

P1969 (P1969)

See Wikidata:Project chat for a question regarding this property. Mbch331 (talk) 13:18, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

This resulted in Wikidata:Property proposal/MovieMeter person ID. Mbch331 (talk) 09:53, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

National Film Registry (Q823422) is not a film award (Q4220917) IMO

I've encountered quite a few film items here on Wikidata that are described as being part of the United States' National Film Registry (Q823422)    in the following way: Eaux d'artifice (Q1839217)award received (P166)National Film Registry (Q823422) I'm however not sure if the National Film Registry (Q823422)    can be considered a film award (Q4220917)    - there's not really an award ceremony with prizes given to the directors and there's not really a concept of 'winning'. In my view, it's more a cultural educational canon (Q861437) (i.e. a curated list of the 'most important' cultural items of a country/domain), similar to Danish Culture Canon (Q1269747)   . So I'd prefer to model the films that are part of the National Film Registry (Q823422)    as follows: Eaux d'artifice (Q1839217)part of (P361)National Film Registry (Q823422) and National Film Registry (Q823422)has part(s) (P527)Eaux d'artifice (Q1839217). I'll be happy to do this update, of course making sure that the existing references don't get lost. Please let me know if there are major objections! Cheers, Spinster 💬 17:48, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

There is also catalog (P972). --Infovarius (talk) 12:36, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

• Yeah, maybe catalog (P972) would be better. Not really convinced that partof is a good idea. --- Jura 08:32, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of catalog (P972). For me a catalog is a published book or another type of list that is just one of the possible 'collections' of certain works. I have suddenly thought about heritage designation (P1435) though, because National Film Registry (Q823422) indicates that a film is historically important enough to be preserved, which is quite similar to other types of built and immaterial heritage. Spinster 💬 11:59, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

In addition, I think we should aim for consistency across domains, modeling all such 'canons' in the same way. I've looked at a few others and have usually seen part of (P361) there. I'll ask the question more broadly to get more input, as this is not only relevant to movies but to heritage and history in general. Spinster 💬 12:05, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

TV series: link to Wikipedia episode summary

There are a few lists where I tried to experiment with linking the episode summary or article on Wikipedia:

• TV episodes/S3/E3
• episodes of Dexter
• recent TV series episodes

The three queries used there could probably be optimized.

For all languages, the following are obviously ideal:

1. the article associated with the episode item
   <pagename episode article>
2. the article about the two-part episode an episode is part of
   <pagename of two-part episode article>

For enwiki, eswiki, ptwiki, ruwiki, these could work afterwards

3. an entry in the season the episode is part of

<pagename of season article>#ep<episode ordinal in series>

4. an entry in the episode list of the series

<pagename of episode list>#ep<episode ordinal in series>

For enwiki, also (maybe primarily for English language series with few seasons):

5. an entry in the series article

<pagename of series article>#ep<episode ordinal in series>

For frwiki, the following sometimes work:

3. an entry in the season the episode is part of

<pagename of season article>#Épisode <episode ordinal in season> : <French episode title>

4. when the French episode title is unknown, the placeholder "titre français inconnu" followed by the original title is used:

<pagename of season article>#Épisode <episode ordinal in season> : titre français inconnu (<original episode title>)

5. an entry in the episode list of the series if there is a French label:

<pagename of episode list>#Épisode <episode ordinal in season> : <French episode title>

6. an entry in the episode list of the series :

<pagename of episode list>#Épisode <episode ordinal in season> : titre français inconnu (<original episode title>)

In itwiki,

3. there is generally a season article consisting of a table of all episodes and sometimes sections for episodes. The table doesn't have any anchors, but includes links to the sections

<pagename of season article>#<Italian episode title>

The #3 or #4 from enwiki seems to work in a few other Wikipedias. If there are others we could link, please mention them. --- Jura 15:41, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

end time (P582) on TV series

Ideally, end time (P582) on TV series is the date when the final episode of the series was first aired. It could also be the year. It can be a date in the future when it has been confirmed that a series was cancelled, but not all produced episodes have been broadcast.

For ongoing series, items shouldn't have such a statement. We frequently lack P582 for series that did end, possibly because imports from enwiki are more complicated as the same infobox field that holds start time (P580) includes it. Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/reports/TV series/ongoing has a list that could be worth checking.

The other day, I noticed that a series of IP add P582 to series. For almost all Wikipedia didn't mention that it ended nor did a short search on some find any trace of an announced cancellation. I revert other P582 additions of the IP requesting references for any statements. @Kam Solusar: reverted some as well. Please keep an eye on similar edits. If it persists, an admin should be requested to block the IP ranges. --- Jura 07:39, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

BTW, how to add end time (P582) for series that are later continued?

At Will & Grace (Q212135), a series that was broadcast 1998-2006 and 2017-2020 with continued numbering, I added the initial end date with deprecated rank: Q212135#P582. --- Jura 13:34, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Cross-section on TV series: S3 E3

I expanded a bit the database report at WikiProject Movies/lists/TV episodes/S3/E3 that gives episode 3 of season 3 of any series (if we have an item).

A simple query for some of the data:

SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?itemDescription ?title
{
	?item wdt:P31 wd:Q21191270 ; p:P4908 [ pq:P1545 "3" ; ps:P4908 / p:P179 / pq:P1545 "3" ]
    OPTIONAL { ?item wdt:P1476 ?title }          
	SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
}

Try it!

The sample is no longer representative, as I added data about these episodes that isn't necessarily present in all other items for episodes of the series (if they exist).

You can obviously change S3 E3 to something else to get a more representative one. --- Jura 13:34, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

New template Generic queries for filmmakers

I've developed a new template {{Generic queries for filmmakers}}. It is automatically displayed in {{Item documentation}} for filmmakers.

If you like it, you can it in the talk page of each filmmakers item.

Feedback are welcome. PAC2 (talk) 07:14, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Which series for Doctor Who TV series series

Or more precisely "Which series item for Doctor Who TV series series (P179) statements?"

Last time I looked into this, I think I skipped it, hoping that an expert will eventually sort it out. This month, as the items for episodes were still somewhat empty, I tried to complete them a bit further and address the above question.

We currently have three items for Doctor Who TV programmes (or "series"):

1. Doctor Who (Q34316): British science fiction TV series
2. Doctor Who (Q39243428): classic series (1963-1989)
3. Doctor Who (Q39243484): new television series, began 2005

The third item is for the TV program(me) since 2005 and its seasons (or "series").

That program is generally treated as one of its own, as its seasons (named "series") are numbered starting from #1. Sample: the 2005 season is Doctor Who, series 1 (Q1170231).

However, each episode (or sometimes two episodes together) are also numbered continuously since 1963 as "story". Sample: the episode from 2005, Rose (Q2052558)) is story #157.

To include that information and for consistency with other programs, we probably need two statements with "series" (here: part of the series (P179)). So both Doctor Who (Q34316) and Doctor Who (Q39243484) are used as values on Rose (Q2052558). I added these for episodes since 2005.

BTW, for added complexity, there are also special episodes in most seasons that are also numbered as stories, but not always as episodes within the season. Further, a few mini-episodes were produced (not numbered as stories), see e.g. Space / Time (Q3492617) for a fun one. I added "short film" in P31 for these. duration (P2047) should help too.

Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/lists/Doctor Who episodes new series provides a summary. --- Jura 11:57, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Dang, I thought I had already replied here a while ago. I think I also had stumbled upon this little mess at some time, but also put it on the long to-do list and kind of forgot about it. I'd say NuWho is oftentimes regarded as a continuation of Classic Who, albeit with one very long hiatus inbetween. But in many ways, it's also a new, separate series. And you can probably find serious sources supporting both views - though I think many film/tv databases favour treating them separately. So I agree that it makes sense to have two part of the series (P179) statements.

For the Christmas specials and the 2008 specials that aired instead of a regular season: I think you could probably find sources listing them as just episodes while others might treat them as separate works (television specials, television films or similar). And some treat them as part of the then-current seasons/series, others don't. So correctly modelling all those views is probably going to be more complicated than for regular episodes.

As for the additional stuff: there's been a lot of supplemental stuff (minisodes, webisodes, featurettes, etc.) released especially during Matt Smith's tenure as the Doctor. Stuff like Pond Life, The Great Detective, Night and the Doctor, Clara and the Tardis, Music of the Spheres, etc. But those works aren't really part of the series proper, just additional material released on Youtube, DVD releases or as part of television charity events, etc. So we probably shouldn't use part of the series (P179) or season (P4908) for them, media franchise (P8345) should be enough I think.

Looking at Pond Life (Q3396171) - it's a series of minisodes/short films, so neither television series episode (Q21191270) nor short film (Q24862) are fitting values for instance of (P31) here. But we don't seem to have an item for "minisode series" or similar. Maybe web series (Q526877) would work best here? But that doesn't quite work for Night and the Doctor (Q3341402) since that one was originally published on a DVD release. Maybe short film series (Q104771028)? --Kam Solusar (talk) 00:16, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks for your feedback. Seems we are mostly there. I will try to update the seasons as well. For specials, we might end up with more statements for different ways of ordering them.
  About the additional stuff: not really sure about the ideal way. Feel free to change it. I tend to avoid media franchise (P8345) as I don't quite get concept or its name, but maybe it's applicable here ;). --- Jura 08:08, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Number of episodes

It could be interesting to have this updated automatically, especially number of episodes aired (Q39242248).

It would require that we have items for all episodes or a simple way for users to add new ones. A good tool for the later might make it easier to create items than to update the number --- Jura 08:08, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

anime television series season (Q100269041)

A while back, we deleted "anime television series episodes", as television series episode (Q21191270) together with other properties identifies them sufficiently (see discussion at Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Movies/Archive_2#Animated_series_episode).

I noticed that anime television series season (Q100269041) was created a while back and is now being used to replace the generally used television series season (Q3464665).

It's unclear of Q100269041 adds anything and I'd added a "none-of" constraint to instance of (P31) to avoid that it's being used with that property.

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Publication date

Hi, some movies have a lot of publication date qualified by the place. Could we agree to do at least like for the book and put the first one, at least, as preferred rank ? It’s annoying to have to deal with this and take the oldest one just to know the date of a film, for example on a query …

15:59, 13 August 2021 (UTC) author  TomT0m / talk page 15:59, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

I use "rearrange values.js" by Tohaomg instead of preferring the youngest date, see my common.js. Queryzo (talk) 21:26, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Just add place of publication and select the ones you are interested in when querying. --- Jura 11:29, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

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TV series that recently ended

New report at Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/reports/TV series/recently ended. The last column shows that for four of them with have items for every episode. --- Jura 11:49, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Which property for title in other languages?

There are some episode items that have the property title (P1476) for the original title and the property name (P2561) for the title in other languages. https://w.wiki/4Zc2

What is the opinion on this? Should all titles, original title and titles of other languages use title (P1476)? Should the original title use title (P1476) and the other languages be set as label/alias? Or is the use of name (P2561) for other languages actually wanted? CENNOXX (talk) 07:56, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Formatter URL for seasons on external websites

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Hello! I thought to propose a new property but I'm writing here before for testing the eventual consensus from this WikiProject. The idea is the following.

Say we want to retrieve the IMDb URLs associated to all the seasons of a given TV series. For instance, for How I Met Your Mother (Q147235) we would write something like this:

SELECT DISTINCT ?season ?seasonLabel (URI(CONCAT("https://www.imdb.com/title/", ?imdb, "/episodes?season=", ?number)) as ?imdbSeason)
WHERE {
  BIND(wd:Q147235 AS ?series)
  ?season wdt:P31 wd:Q3464665 ;
          p:P179 [
            ps:P179 ?series ;
            pq:P1545 ?number
          ] .
  ?series wdt:P345 ?imdb .
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en". }
}
ORDER BY ?number

Try it!

For considering another website, we have to change the wdt:P345 with another property AND we also have to (know and) change the URL parts in the CONCAT function. Another example here.

My proposal would be to store such formatter URLs in the identifier's property pages (e.g. IMDb ID (P345)season formatter URLhttps://www.imdb.com/title/$1/episodes?season=$2 and Metacritic ID (P1712)season formatter URLhttps://www.metacritic.com/$1/season-$2).

Pros:

• With such a (single!) property, for each item about a TV series season one can have many external identifiers for free, without the necessity of duplicating data as currently done, for example, in Q2715578#P1712.
• If the formatter URL should change, it would be sufficient to update a single value instead of all the claims like Q2715578#P1712.
• All such identifiers could be automatically referenced in the bottom of a Wikipedia page, as now happens for classic identifiers (e.g. in fr.wiki or it.wiki).

Cons:

• This works only for websites that use a pure number, without prepending zeroes (e.g. it doesn't work with Rotten Tomatoes), except we could specify the presence of such eventual leading zeroes with an appropriate qualifier.
• In some cases it may happen that the external website stores the seasons in a different way w.r.t. Wikidata. This should happen in very few cases, e.g., when a series is split in more parts. For instance, currently in Doctor Who, series 1 (Q1170231) we retrieve the number "27", but the IMDb url is https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0436992/episodes?season=1 (because the first 26 seasons are considered a separate series). The only way that comes to my mind for fixing this would be to add another statement in Q1170231 having as qualifiers series ordinal (P1545) 1 and statement supported by (P3680)Internet Movie Database (Q37312).

What do you think about this? --Horcrux (talk) 09:58, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

P641

Am i correct in assuming that we should use this property on film? --Trade (talk) 20:03, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Monster film

Is there any reason to use main subject > zombie (Q9406) instead of genre > zombie fiction (Q113259281) exists? Trade (talk) 21:28, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Any who queries for main subjects may not know about genre substitution. Infovarius (talk) 20:22, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

There may be non-fiction films about zombie (Q9406) (origin of this idea, development, cultural impact, etc.). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:55, 28 July 2022 (UTC)