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Hello, Tobias1984! I am just letting you know that I have added the autopatroller flag to your account, as you are a trusted user on Wikidata. If you have any questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to contact me or leave a message at the project chat. Thanks, Mark91it's my world 10:04, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you :) --Tobias1984 (talk) 10:05, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Property:P461 "opposite of"Edit

The above property is now available and can be used on items. I noticed you participated in its discussion. --  Docu  at 09:38, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Nice, thank you. --Tobias1984 (talk) 09:48, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Property:P462 "color"Edit

The above property is now available and can be used on items. I noticed you participated in its discussion. It came from your proposal BTW.

BTW, shall I go ahead with the other one too? I just hesitate about the label to use. --  Docu  at 15:23, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Are you talking about color as string (hex code)? I liked the name "color hex triplet" that you suggested. --Tobias1984 (talk) 17:45, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
It's done (Property:P465) .. label can be changed if another one fits better. --  Docu  at 20:26, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Cool, thanks. --Tobias1984 (talk) 20:33, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Property creatorEdit

Hi Tobias,

Following your comment on my talk page, I figured it might suggest you directly for property creator. If you are interested, please accept at Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Other_rights#Tobias1984. --  Docu  at 10:05, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Cool, thanks.--Tobias1984 (talk) 10:24, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Strange color propertyEdit

What is the purpose of the color property here and here added by you? Both of them are geological terms hardly connected with colors. Maybe there are real color names which are very similar to the names in your native language so you missed the target of the properties? Regards Paweł Ziemian (talk) 20:01, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

  • OK It must byIs this a consequence of this?. Sorry for spurious alert. I am layman on this. Paweł Ziemian (talk) 20:06, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Yes, I was thinking of saving the colors of the geologic time scale. I should probably write a documentations on the properties talk page. --Tobias1984 (talk) 05:40, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Maybe a qualifier linking to an item about the scheme would help. --  Docu  at 06:02, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
I just checked, there is no "used for" or "used in" property. Not really sure if we have an existing qualifier I could use. --Tobias1984 (talk) 06:05, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
maybe "part of" --  Docu  at 06:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Property:P504 "home port"Edit


The above property is now available and can be used on items. I noticed you participated in its discussion. Maybe we should create "port of registry" too. --  Docu  at 09:57, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

I suggested it at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Term#Port_of_registry. --  Docu  at 06:16, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
done as Property:P532. --  Docu  at 10:59, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Property:P516 "powerplant"Edit


The above property is now available and can be used on items. I noticed you participated in its discussion. Joshbaumgartner (talk) 07:18, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Nice, thank you. --Tobias1984 (talk) 07:24, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

answer on Wikidata_talk:Space_task_forceEdit

Hi. I've answered your suggestion. I don't think the names are used outside GPS but there are some commonalities we could come up with. Secretlondon (talk) 17:41, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Property:P520 "armament"Edit


The above property is now available and can be used on items. I noticed you participated in its discussion. Joshbaumgartner (talk) 05:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Property:P562 "central bank"Edit


The above property is now available and can be used on items. You participated in its discussion. --  Docu  at 06:59, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Translation tags on Wikidata:Property creatorsEdit

When modifying the archive link on Wikidata:Property creators, you changed the translation tag. Please do not do this in future because these tags are set by the translation extension automatically. --Michgrig (talk) 10:34, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry. My fault. I think I accidentally pressed replace instead of search. --Tobias1984 (talk) 10:57, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


Wow, congratulations Tobias ;) --Chris.urs-o (talk) 04:51, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks ;) --Tobias1984 (talk) 06:43, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
You may want to insert your name here to get all your deletions in WD:RFD automatically marked. --Ricordisamoa 08:42, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. I added myself to the list. --Tobias1984 (talk) 09:32, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
My bot appreciated this, thanks ;-) --Ricordisamoa 09:39, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Somehow I missed your nomination. Anyways: congratulations! --  Docu  at 07:11, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you :) --Tobias1984 (talk) 07:18, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit requestEdit

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Property creationEdit

Hi Tobias,

Would you look into this one? --  Docu  at 07:12, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

  • Been there,   Done that. --Tobias1984 (talk) 08:18, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. --  Docu  at 19:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Property:P613 "OS Grid"Edit


The above property is now available and can be used on items. I noticed you participated in its discussion. BTW, to some extent, it can be calculated. --  Docu  at 19:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Property:P619 "launch date"Edit


The above property is now available and can be used on items. I noticed you participated in its discussion. --  Docu  at 20:47, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Property:P624 "guidance system",Edit


The above property is now available and can be used on items. I noticed you participated in its discussion. --  Docu  at 21:25, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

GSOC - Gene wiki project projectEdit

Hello Tobias1984, For the Gene Wiki project, we have proposed a set of properties to capture gene information. Kindly provide some support/advice to speed up the process of creating these properties. Chinmay26 (talk) 18:10, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Chinmay! I will go over those proposals, but I can only create them after 7 days. Do you and your task force colleges have time to look at this proposal: Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#GenPept. User:Wnt wants to store some of the information found on those pages to generate pictures. I think automatic image generation would be an awesome thing to do. We just have to find a good way to structurally import that data, maybe as a series of strings with qualifiers for the location of the sequence. --Tobias1984 (talk) 19:03, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Tobias,I took a look at the en:Module:ImportProtein which generates graphics from GenPept sequence(I forgot to keep track of your talk page and so the delayed response). I agree with you that we first need to propose/identify properties which best represent GenPept sequence. Though we use the same databases(NCBI etc), in our template we obtain structured info from [[1]]. Regarding the proposed set of properties for GSOC Gene Wiki, kindly create them ASAP (The coding period for GSOC has begun and we are running a bit late!). Chinmay26 (talk) 09:01, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Tobias for the support in creation of the properties. All fields of PBB templates have been captured onto wikidata properties now. For Human Gene items, we have a working bothere(needs some rework like exception handling/qualifiers, may be done in a couple of days). Chinmay26 (talk) 14:45, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Re:Main typeEdit

I'm just combining items, so the wrong main type was already in one of the two items. At the end of the unions I can fix everything, thank you for letting me know! --DaniDF1995 09:56, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Re: ISTAT ID (P635)Edit

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Thank you from me, too :). -- 17:33, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Re:Refseq Protein ID(P637)Edit

Thanks a lot. But, the proposed property [[2]] should be named as "Protein ID". Chinmay26 (talk) 09:42, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Molecular biology discussionsEdit

Hi Tobias, Just FYI, in the interest of getting more voices in our discussion on genes and species, I posted a quick note on the talk pages of users who listed themselves at Wikidata:Molecular_biology_task_force#Participants (e.g, User_talk:Dan_Bolser). Just wanted you to be aware where these people were coming from if we see some new faces on the talk page. In any case, might you also be interested in listing yourself on that participant list? Cheers, Andrew Su (talk) 00:26, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

RfC on Wikidata's primary sorting propertyEdit

You recently participated in a deletion discussion for P107 - main type (GND). The discussion has been closed, as it is clear that a resolution won't come from PfD, and an RfC has been opened on the matter at Wikidata:Requests for comment/Primary sorting property. You are invited to participate there. Please note that this is a mass delivered message, and that I will not see any replies you leave on this page.

Yours, Sven Manguard Wha? 18:23, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

PubChem and Chemspider IDEdit

You create 2 new properties for 2 database identifiers but these identifiers are pure numbers and you used string properties. I think it is better to wait for the numeric datatype before creating these properties. What do you think ? Snipre (talk) 18:22, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

If we make them number-datatype then they would be converted into different number formats in other languages. That would probably not work with the links that point to the database entries. In my opinion only numbers that will be used for calculations should be number datatype. --Tobias1984 (talk) 18:45, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

GO annotationsEdit

Hi there, I see you added a few GO annotations to RELN (Q414043). I'm actually thinking that those would be better under Q13569356 since the source annotations are relative to the UniProt ID ([3]). Thoughts? Cheers, Andrew Su (talk) 16:30, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

You're right. I followed the link in the property proposal blindly. Might have been linked before we split the items. --Tobias1984 (talk) 17:52, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

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ICD9, ICD10 ImportEdit

Hallo Tobias, ich habe Deinen Bot-Request bzgl des ICD9/ICD10-Imports gesehen, und inzwischen die Daten aus der englischen WP geparst und lokal gespeichert. Dazu habe ich noch ein paar Fragen:

  • Du hast als Beispiel angegeben, dass |ICD10={{ICD10|J|10||j|09}} zu "J10" geparst werden soll. Habe ich es also richtig verstanden, dass die letzten beiden Parameter des Templates (also das "j" und "09") generell hier keine Rolle spielen?
  • Es gibt kommt vor, dass Krankheiten einen recht großen Bereich von ICD-Kennzahlen überdecken (zB en:Cancer). Das gibt dann entsprechend viele Werte, wenn man jeden Wert einzeln speichern würde (also zB C00, C01, C02 usw.). Das ist aber so gewollt bzw. es gibt keine andere Lösung, oder?
  • Du hast geschrieben, dass Du noch eine Quelle für ICD9 raussuchen musst. Es wäre natürlich auch möglich, Datenherkunft = "englische Wikipedia" zu setzen.
  • Gibt es sonst noch Claims, die der Bot bei der Gelegenheit setzen kann (zB GND, instance-of o.ä.)?

Grüße,--Kompakt (talk) 08:28, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Hallo Kompakt! (1) J09 ist in diesem Kontext nur der erste Eintrag im Kapitel. Die Verlinkung funktioniert aber auch ohne diese Information (Siehe ersten Eintrag bei: (2) Das passt schon mit den vielen Kennzahlen weil Krebs eine recht große Krankheitsgruppe ist und die spezifischen Krebsarten wieder nur einen Schlüssel bekommen. (3) Ich hätte ansonsten dieses Item gemacht (Q14067712), das sobald es möglich wird, eine URL bekommt. (4) Krankheiten, Anatomie und die anderen Sachen die ICD abdeckt währen meiner Meinung nach immer "main type = term". Andere Aussagen lassen sich vermutlich nicht so verallgemeinern und an den diversen Ontologien müssen wir noch viel herumdiskutieren. (ps) Vielen Danke nochmal für deine Hilfe. mfg --Tobias1984 (talk) 08:43, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Alles klar, gut. Ich nehme dann das von Dir vorgeschlagene Item als Quelle für ICD9.--Kompakt (talk) 09:08, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Hallo Tobias, ich habe den Bot jetzt durchlaufen lassen. Ich hoffe, es passt alles. Grüße,--Kompakt (talk) 07:17, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Ich hab grad ein wenig durchgeschaut und es schaut alles super aus. Danke nocheinmal für die Hilfe. --Tobias1984 (talk) 07:33, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Project Chat replyEdit

Just to let you know I have replied at Wikidata:Project_chat#.22edit.22_instead_of_.22save_.2F_cancel.22 ·addshore· talk to me! 10:16, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Questions about property creationEdit

Hey Tobias, thanks for the approval and some questions:

  • The guide for property creation says that there must be consensus for creating properties, but what is the minimum amount of support that a property has to gather? Two or three supports would be enough?
  • Can I create a property that I proposed if it has no opposition?
  • This RfC on supporting WP sources seems ready to be closed: consensus about supporting WP sources in WD, and no consensus about the need of a S-namespace. Could you please close it?

Thanks!--Micru (talk) 19:50, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

(1) I guess it really depends what kind of property it is. I tend to think that there should be at least two supporters. If there are opposing votes then it should be like 2/3 for creation. (2) Yes, but try to gather at least two supporters. (3) I can close the RfC today or tomorrow. I still have to read over it so I can make a good summary :) --Tobias1984 (talk) 19:56, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Space groupEdit

Hey Snipre! I saw that you changed some of the space groups from "instance of = space group" to "subclass of = space group". I don't know which is better. I took instance of becasue it says "this item is a concrete object (instance) of this class, category or object group". So for the space groups as a whole I thought that e.g. space group 1 is an instance. It will save us some work if we both rethink it once more because I already added that statement to about 100 items ;). --Tobias1984 (talk) 22:04, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, as space group 1 is composed of different components, it can't be an instance of. If an item can group several other independent items, it can't be an instance of. You are right according to space group item but if you extend the classification in the other direction you see that space group X is a class of component so you can't have an item defined as a class and as an instance at the same time. This becomes a subclass. Snipre (talk) 22:38, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
I know I should not jump into someone else's conversation like this, and I know nothing about astronomy, but surely basic membership properties go like this:
<Sun (Q525)> part of (P361) <Solar System (Q544)>
<Sun (Q525)> instance of (P31) <star (Q523)>
<Solar System (Q544)> instance of (P31) <planetary system (Q206717)>
<star (Q523)> part of (P361) <planetary system (Q206717)>

Littledogboy (talk) 20:10, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

More information here Snipre (talk) 13:50, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the link. The first example is pretty fitting to this problem. The Nimits is an instance of the Nimitz-class (Q309336). And in the Nimitz class it says that it is an instance of "ship class". Isn't that just what the space groups are? "Space group 1" is an instance of the "Space group (class)". And the Nimitz-class also has a statement that it is a subclass of "supercarrier". What do you think? --Tobias1984 (talk) 13:58, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Neues Property ArchivEdit

Hallo. Ich wollte dich nur kurz informieren, dass ich ein neues Archiv (Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/11) angelegt habe, da das alte langsam zu lang wurde. Ich finde es etwas doof, dass man das auf den ersten Blick gar nicht sieht. Es gibt doch irgendeine Technik mit der man für Bearbeiter eine Warnung hinterlassen kann, weisst du gerade wie die geht? --Nightwish62 (talk) 16:39, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Sowas hier meine ich: de:wp:Liste_von_Linux-Distributionen. Wenn man auf bearbeiten klickt, kommt eine Warnung. Sowas ware bei den alten Archiven auch gut. Ich komme nur gerade nicht nach wie das ganze überhaupt funktioniert. --Nightwish62 (talk) 16:50, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
Hallo. Tut mir leid aber ich weiß grad überhaupt nicht was du meinst. Bei mir kommt auch keine Warnung. Ich ändere immer den Link auf Wikidata:Property_creators, dann sollten eigentlich alle es mitbekommen, dass es ein neues Archiv gibt. --Tobias1984 (talk) 18:54, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
Ah, perfekt. Daran habe ich gar nicht gedacht, gut hast du das schon gemacht. Was ich meinte: Wenn du eben auf der Deutschen Wiki die Linux-Liste bearbeiten willst, kommt da keine Warnung ganz oben? --Nightwish62 (talk) 18:58, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
Bei steht nur "Erstellen" und die Warnung ist "Diese Seite existiert noch nicht.". Hier hab ich es auch noch auf 11 geändert Wikidata:Property_proposal/Header. Danke übrigens, dass du dich momentan auch soviel um die Proposals kümmerst. --Tobias1984 (talk) 19:31, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


Hey Snipre! Me again :) I saw that you changed the formatting on the DrugBank ID (P715). The DB is not part of the identifier and should therefore not be entered. There was a long discussion about this at Property_talk:P465. A lot of databases have these prefixes but I think we generally discourage saving them because they are just redundant data. --Tobias1984 (talk) 14:41, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay but as i saw no discussion in the talk page I assumed this was not discussed. About the format I prefer the format DBXXXX because you can use directly the string to create a link. Without the DB at the begining, you risk to see the numeric part reduced to its minimal significant digits: to be clear if you have DB0012 by putting the letters at the begining people will put the double 0. If you put only the number you risk to have 12 instead of 0012. This can be fixed later when you create the url but I don't like to see several possible formats for the same property. Yes, I know about the constraint check but if people can do the job right the first time they put the data this reduces the maintenance work. Snipre (talk) 13:07, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Weitere Property AbarbeitungEdit

Hallo Tobias1984. Dein Dank erstmal zurück,...ich finde es gut dass sich nun 2-3 Leutchen gefunden haben, die sich der Property-Problematik angenommen haben. Aus diesem Grund möchte ich dich gleich noch um etwas Anfragen, weiter unten. Beim Property "Album genre" hast du mich allerdings etwas verwundert: 8 Pro Stimmen gegen 4 Contra und deine Entscheidung war eine Ablehnung des Property. Das finde ich, um es mal linde auszudrücken, gewagt,...immerhin doppelt soviele Befürworter. Da ich zwischenzeitlich allerdings auch von Pro zu Contra gewechselt habe (auch wenn ich das im Proposal nie geschrieben habe), werde ich nicht intervenieren. Es braucht wirklich kein "album genre", wenn wir bereits ein "genre" haben. Nunja, das ist halt die Schattenseite unserer Arbeit: Das wir immer einige verärgern werden und manchmal eben auch eine gewagte Entscheidung treffen müssen, nur damit es endlich mal wieder weitergeht. Eine solche gewagte Entscheidung habe ich soeben bei den beiden Properties family name (P734) und given name (P735) getroffen. Immerhin war sogar ein RfC darüber noch hängig. Eigentlich wollte ich ursprünglich (als ich diesen Text anfing schreiben) genau deswegen von dir eine Zweitmeinung abholen, aber da ich gerade in voller Fahrt war, habe ich es gleich umgesetzt. Für mich ist der Fall eigentlich klar (deutliches Pro) und es kann einfach nicht sein, dass mit einem RfC die Weiterarbeit verhindert wird. Aus gleichem Grund werde ich morgen vermutlich noch die "Key event"-Sache beenden.

Deine heutige Nachricht ("Geologie") habe ich übrigens erst zu spat gesehen, habe den ganzen Tag im Freizeitpark verbracht und bin erst jetzt zurück :)

Schöne Grüsse --Nightwish62 (talk) 20:45, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

"Album genre" hab ich rausgenommen weil ja die Besprechung der Eigenschaft abgeschlossen war, aber zwischenzeitlich schon eine andere Eigenschaft die Rolle übernommen hat. Es geistern sicher noch mehr solche Kandidaten herum. Die Seiten haben unglaublich viel Altlast. Ich find das übrigens auch schwierig. Man möchte ja niemand auf die Füße treten, aber andererseits müssen diese Seiten endlich auf den aktuellen Stand gebracht werden. Dazu gehört auch einfach, dass man Proposals aus dem Februar archiviert. Bei p734 und 735 kann ich dir auch nur zustimmen. Wir sollten einfach weiter versuchen zusammenzuarbeiten. Mein Ziel wäre ja jede Seite mit maximal 20 Proposals. --Tobias1984 (talk) 21:25, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Dachte ich mir schon, dass es da eine Überschneidung gab. Ich an der Stelle hätte da aber sicherheitshalber eine Begründung mit abgegeben. Pro Seite maximal 20 Vorschläge? Also ich strebe sogar noch deutlich weniger an :). Schön wären wirklich nur noch solche die max. eine Woche alt sind. Aber ich glaube wir sind auf gutem Weg - es hat sich schon einiges getan in den letzten Tagen.
Übrigens: Ich habe da eine Anfrage von User:Lavallen bekommen ([4]). Könntest du dich vielleicht darum kümmern? Ich tu mich mit den Authority Controls Properties etwas schwer. Nur falls es dir geht und passt. --Nightwish62 (talk) 22:29, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Kann ich machen :) --Tobias1984 (talk) 09:52, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

ammunition (P739) wurde erstelltEdit

Da du der Property Proposer dieser Eigenschaft bist, informiere ich dich hiermit, dass die Eigenschaft nun erstellt wurde.

PS: Sicher geniesse ich die Sonne, ja Nationalfeiertag bei uns :) --Nightwish62 (talk) 14:31, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Umstellung auf Archiv 12Edit

Hallo Tobias. Ich habe (wie du ja schon gemerkt hast) gleich nochmal ein neues Archiv angelegt. Nicht schlecht nach nur 3 Tagen :). Was ich aber nicht verstehe: Ich habe Wikidata:Property proposal/Header auf Nummer 12 angepasst. Die Archivnummer selber ist ja nicht Teil der Übersetzung, sondern steht fix im Code. Dennoch zeigt es mir weiterhin eine 11 an, wenn ich z.B. auf Wikidata:Property_proposal/Person schauen gehe. Was mache ich falsch? --Nightwish62 (talk) 07:16, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Ich glaube du machst gar nichts falsch. Auf Wikidata bleiben manchmal Seiten hängen (im Speicher oder so) und werden nicht in neuer Form übertragen (bin kein Experte in diesem Zeug). Irgendwo kann man als Administrator "purge" klicken und dann wird der Speicher geleert und die aktuelle Version übertragen. Ich schau mal ob ich das machen kann, sonst post ich es auf im Administratorforum. Und ja, wir machen gut Fortschritt mit den Seiten :) --Tobias1984 (talk) 10:39, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

cause of destructionEdit

Sorry, dass ich dich diesmal um eine Bitte in eigenen Belangen anfrage: Ich hatte mal eine Vorschlag für das Property cause of destruction gestartet. Leider bekam ich zwei contra stimmen, die sich aber hauptsächlich darum drehten, dass ein generelles "Key event"-Property erstellt werden sollte. Dies wurde gestern jedoch schon abgelehnt, siehe Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/11#Key_event. Gleichzeitig wurde das RfC (zugegeben auf meine Bitte hin) geschlossen. Somit gehören die beiden Gegenstimmen eigentlich auch der Vergangenheit an. Und nun frage ich dich, ob noch etwas gegen die Erstellung der Eigenschaft spricht? Ich selber möchte das eigentlich nicht erstellen, da ich der Initiator bin und (selbst wenn inzwischen ungültig) die Diskussion auf den ersten Blick nach einer Ablehnung aussieht. Könntest du die Eigenschaft erstellen und einen Vermerk der abgelehnten Key-Event-Modellierung machen? --Nightwish62 (talk) 11:10, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Ich Begründung für die Ablehnung der "Key Event" Property finde ich sehr unzureichend. Wenn es keine neue Begründung dagegen gibt, wird ich "Key Event" herstellen. --Zolo (talk) 16:49, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
I just read over the discussion of "key event" and it does seem a little odd that it wasn't created. But we are creating something that has never been done before. So we are bound to make some mistakes. Instead of creating it I think we should create a new proposal, sum up the previous discussion and add some good examples. But first we need some definite opposes on more and more detailed event properties: See here: Wikidata:Property_proposal/Place#Key_dates_for_buildings:groundbreaking and below. --Tobias1984 (talk) 17:35, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata:Forum#Primärschlüssel vs. IDEdit

Zur freundlichen Beachtung. --Leyo 13:04, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

World Heritage Site ID (P757)Edit

The property World Heritage Site ID (P757) is now created. I noted that you participed to the discussion. --Fralambert (talk) 00:35, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Lake ID (Sweden) (P761)Edit

The property Lake ID (Sweden) (P761) that you supported is available now. --  Docu  at 14:37, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

There seem to be issue about me creating properties like the above, please see Wikidata:Administrators'_noticeboard#User:Docu_and_the_property_creator_permission. --  Docu  at 18:04, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Re: Task 25 MeSHEdit

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Co-authoring a paper on drug safety data in Wikidata and WikipediaEdit

Hi Tobias,

As you saw, I am interested in adding drug safety data to Wikidata (with the eventual goal of improving data quality, completeness and freshness in Wikipedia). Together with some colleagues from the W3C, I am also planning to eventually write a paper about that effort. Since you are very involved in Wikidata, would you be interested in helping out with this a bit and becoming a co-author is such a paper? In case you are interested, please also send me some further information about you (e.g., link to your website etc.).

Grüße aus Wien, Matthias (Contact: matthias.samwald (at) --Matthiassamwald (talk) 20:12, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Hallo Matthias! Klingt nach einem interessanten Projekt bei dem ich gerne aushelfen würde. Ich habe keine Webseite, aber da gibt es auch nicht so viel zu sagen. Ich schreibe gerade meine Diplomarbeit in Geologie/Mineralogie in Innsbruck und bin generell an Wissenschaft interessiert. Auf Wikidata beteilige ich mich eigentlich fast überall. Die Medizin task force hab ich gestartet weil gerade in diesem Bereich unglaubliche Informationsvernetzungen möglich sind.
Du solltest übrigens auch mal auf die Wikidata:Molecular biology task force und auf die Seite von Andrew Su (en:User:Andrew Su) schauen. Mit ihm und seiner Arbeitsgruppe gibt es sicher auch einige Anknüpfungspunkte. Wir haben auch vor kurzem einmal den weiteren Kurs beider Projekte besprochen (link). Ich hoffe auf jeden Fall, dass wir in Kontakt bleiben und schöne Grüße nach Wien. --Tobias1984 (talk) 22:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Fragen zu ICD-10, ICD-11, Zahl der Wikidata-Objekte, Aussagekraft von Aussagen (Fakt versus Hypothese)Edit

Hallo Tobias, danke für die herzliche Begrüßung und für das Angebot, dich zu fragen! Da gäbe es mehreres, ich hoffe ich überstrapaziere deine Geduld nicht all zu sehr. Vielleicht kannst du mir ja auch weiter helfen, an wen ich die verschiedenen Fragen richten soll.

1. ICD-10: Beispielsweise hat Influenza (Q2840) bei den Aussagen als Eigenschaft P494 (ICD-10). Der Wert J10 ist mit der WHO-app verbunden. Eine Quelle ist in der Regel nicht angegeben. Auf der Wikidata-Spielwiese (Q4115189) habe ich versucht, die Eigenschaft ICD-10 (P494) einzufügen, als Wert dann J10. Als Quelle wollte ich einen Link testweise zu meiner User page legen, was aber nicht ganz funktioniert hat: Es wird 0 +1 Quelle angezeigt, mein Link ist auch enthalten, aber offenbar nicht gespeichert. Dafür hat sich wundersamerweise die WHO-app ( mit J10 verlinkt. Meine Frage ist nun, ob nicht der Wert der Eigenschaft J10 bestehen sollte wie er ist (als String), dafür als Quelle die WHO-App mit Link auf J10 verwendet werden sollte? Das scheint eine grundsätzliche Frage zu sein, weil auch die anderen Werte der Eigenschaften wie ICD-9 oder MeSH, etc. nach dem selben Prinzip verlinken. Als Quelle wird dann z.B. die englischsprachige Wikipedia genannt. M.E. nach sollte aber doch zumindest eine Quelle die Primärquelle sein? (Warum die Sandbox mit dem Quelle speichern nicht funktioniert ist zwar auch interessant, war aber nicht mein Fokus.) (D.h. vielleicht auch, es wäre überlegenswert, ein Datenobjekt für den ICD-10 Code an sich anzulegen, dazu müsste man dann aber zuerst einen WP-Artikel schreiben, oder?.)

2. ICD-10 - Infoboxen: Hier sind auf Wikidata:Medicine task force die Infoboxen angeführt: (Leider gibt es das anscheinend nicht auf deutsch.) Auf der deutschen WP ist die "Infobox ICD" offenbar die am meisten verwendete für ICD-10. Wie könnte ich die Seiten importieren, die mit dieser Infobox verlinkt sind bzw. wenn sie schon importiert sind, wie kann ich möglichst automatisch dann die Eigenschaft P494 mit dem jeweiligen ICD-10-Code hinzufügen?

3. ICD-11 steht vor der Tür. Sollten wir nicht schon entsprechende Eigenschaften vorbereiten bzw. auch schon jetzt in den Objekten (Krankheiten) bereitstellen?

4. Heute sind auf der Wikidata-Hauptseite 13.070.514 Objekte angeführt, und unter Aktuelles heißt es vom 17. Juli 2013: Das vierzehn-millionste Item über Huangjue wurde erstellt. Irgendwo habe ich zwar schon gelesen, dass 400.000 Objekte schon gelöscht worden sein sollen, bzw. wären das ja dann schon über eine Million gelöschte Objekte (d.h. über 7 %). Bleiben die Objekte dann für immer gesperrt oder wird der Q-Schlüssel dann wieder neu vergeben werden?

5. Q1: Universum: Als Eigenschaft wurde "ist ein Instanz von" "Mögliche Welt" bzw. "ist Teil von" "Multiversum" eingetragen. Das Universum hat aber schon aus gutem Grund die Q1 bekommen, das Multiversum ist (auch laut dem zugehörigen WP-Artikel) ja nur eine Hypothese, zB gibt es ja auch die Kopenhagener Deutung. Können also Aussagen doch differenzierter behandelt werden im Sinne von "ist ein Fakt", "ist state of the art" bzw. "ist wissenschaftlich eindeutig anerkannt" und alternativ "ist eine (wissenschaftliche) Hypothese"? Das trifft ja sicherlich auf viele Wissensbereiche und auch auf die Medizin zu. Über die Relevanz der Quelle scheint es derzeit zumindest noch nicht zu funktionieren.

Vielen Dank! Schöne Grüße Projekt ANA (talk) 22:00, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Hallo! Fragen sind immer gut und nur so kann unsere Gemeinschaft wachsen:
  1. Ich hab mal bei Influenza die Quelle hinzugefügt die ich für ICD-10 erstellt habe [5]. Man kann also wenn man einen Code kontrolliert hat immer stated in (P248) = ICD-10 Online version (2010) (Q13610440) angeben. Die Verlinkung mit dem WHO-App geschieht automatisch für alle ICD-10 Werte unabhängig davon wo man sie hinzufügt. Warum die Quelle in der Sandbox nicht funktioniert kann ich im Moment auch nicht sagen. Und ja man könnte den ICD-10 Wert korrekterweise in der Quelle nocheinmal wiederholen, weil von dort hat man ja den code (Siehe:
  2. Wenn ich richtig verstehe versuchst du Seiten zu finden die im deutschen Wikipedia einen ICD-10 code haben und auf Wikidata noch nicht? Das ist sicher noch etwas schwierig, aber man könnte einen Bot damit beauftragen diese Abfrage zu machen. Ansonsten kannst du vielleicht mit oder selbst eine Abfrage basteln.
  3. Mit ICD-11 wollte ich noch warten bis wir halbwegs mit den anderen Eigenschaften etwas weiter sind.
  4. Q-items werden in Reihenfolge ausgegeben. Oftmals überspringt die Software bei Fehlern auch viele Nummern. Wenn eine Nummer mal gelöscht ist bleibt sie das auch, außer ein Administrator macht die Löschung rückgängig. Auf Special:NewPages sieht man immer die neuesten Items.
  5. Die Bewertung von Quellen und die Reihung von Fakten ist geplant und wird in den kommenden Monaten erscheinen. Noch spuckt also Wikidata bei einer Abfrage immer alle Ergebnisse aus.
Wenn du dir übrigens die Fehler und Duplikate von ICD-10 anschauen willst kannst du auf dieser Seite (Property_talk:P494) auf die constraint violations klicken. --Tobias1984 (talk) 22:39, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Hallo Tobias, vielen Dank für die schnellen und kompetenten Antworten! Schöne Grüße Projekt ANA (talk) 10:20, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

approved by (P790)Edit

The property that you participate the discussion is done (approved by (P790)). --Fralambert (talk) 02:37, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


thanks Tobias, the bot is still block but I can ask for unblocking now :) TomT0m (talk) 16:32, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

chapter (P792)Edit

The property chapter (P792) that you supported is available now. Please help out by reviewing other people's proposals. --Micru (talk) 17:48, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestionEdit

that I apply for property creator rights.

I'm thinking about it. Filceolaire (talk) 09:24, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

I've decided against going for this right as I tend to get involved in a lot of property proposal discussions and I shouldn't create properties I have been involved in discussing. Filceolaire (talk) 19:13, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't think that that is a problem. Everybody has to try to stay impartial. But you can always reconsider at a later time. --Tobias1984 (talk) 19:16, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Deleting ProposalsEdit

Hi Snipre! Please don't delete proposals. It is better to move them to the archive or the corresponding task force page. I copied the 3 proposals to the ship task force Wikidata_talk:Ship_task_force#Deletion_of_some_properties_proposals. They have low activity right now, but they should be autonomous in their decisions to propose properties. --Tobias1984 (talk) 09:30, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

I archived proposals when there is something to archive. These proposals are not complete and there are no comment. And please don't say that contributors look at archive pages before creating a proposal, it is not the case. I put a comment at Wikidata:Ship task force so I think the main persons which are concerned are now informed. Snipre (talk) 09:34, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Please delete Wikidata:Migrating away from GND main typeEdit

Stop starting discussion every where. Please use the already existing page Help:High-level classification or a new RfC. And the correct place for discussion at community level is the RfC pages. Snipre (talk) 15:45, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. An RfC is more appropriate. --Tobias1984 (talk) 15:50, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

This editEdit

Gee, thanks for this. :P --Izno (talk) 17:44, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

WDPA ID (P809)Edit

The property you suported id now available. --Fralambert (talk) 01:57, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

IUCN protected areas category (P814)Edit

The property you suported is now available. --Fralambert (talk) 22:53, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


well, Thanks .. --Mohamedessam010407 (talk) 11:38, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for information Mpn (talk) 11:49, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

ITIS TSN (P815)Edit

Bei ITIS TSN (P815) fehlt noch die Einbindung ins Gadget-AuthorityControl.js. Die URL müsste so '$1' aussehen. Gruß --Succu (talk) 14:44, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Dazugetan, getestet, funktioniert ;) --Tobias1984 (talk) 14:50, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Yepp. Danke. Die Nummern sollten sich durch einen intelligenten Bot relativ problemlos hinzufügen lassen. Mal schaun was der CSV-Download mit kanpp 8000 Kakteen so hergibt. Gruß --Succu (talk) 15:16, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


Babel lets you view and edit more than one language on Wikidata. Just add e.g. {{#babel:de-N|en-3|es-1|fr-2|nl-3|it-4|da-0}} to your user page. With the same language codes you can add links to your userpage on Wikipedia e.g. de:User:User123. --Tobias1984 (talk) 22:27, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello, done. If you ask me that because of my last modifications, I clean French page concerning basketball, the bot couldn't transfer zh.wp links from [6], so I do the job by hand. Sisyph (talk) 22:33, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for the tip. will avoid spent some billions hours clicking on each language ;).Popolon (talk) 19:57, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

ADS bibcode (P819)Edit

The property ADS bibcode (P819) that you supported is available now. --Paperoastro (talk) 16:35, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! --Tobias1984 (talk) 16:44, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Newcomer on WikidataEdit

Many thanks for your welcome. Barbe-Noire (talk) 13:28, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Unknown valueEdit

Hi. How do you make a claim with an "unknown value" like you did here? I've been trying to do that on another isotope item, but I can't figure it out. Thanks, --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 17:07, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Never mind, I figured it out. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 17:10, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey pl:Tobiasz. Danke für die Begrüßung. Mehr Deutsch verstehen, als wenn ich in dieser Sprache zu schreiben. Mit freundlichen Grüßen von Szczecin.  Tanja5 (talk) 18:37, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Items for user pagesEdit

Hi Tobias, I'm sorry, i didn't knοw that. --Konstantinos13Macedonia is greek 10:03, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Global Economic Map proposalsEdit

I responded for some of your messages here:

Any advice?

Thank you Mcnabber091 (talk) 03:44, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!--Sardust (talk) 11:35, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

IMSLP ID (P839)Edit

New property.--Micru (talk) 18:53, 3 September 2013 (UTC)


Hello my brother. What the benefit of this gadget?

It helps with adding descriptions, but I don't use it very often. --Tobias1984 (talk) 17:27, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Encyclopedia of Life ID (P830) und BioLib ID (P838)Edit

Bei Encyclopedia of Life ID (P830) und BioLib ID (P838) fehlt noch die Einbindung ins Gadget-AuthorityControl.js. Die erste URL müsste so '$1' aussehen, die zweite wohl so: '$1'. Danke und Gruß --Succu (talk) 11:14, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

  Done viele Grüße! --Tobias1984 (talk) 11:18, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

New property sponsor (P859)Edit


One of the properties you supported is now available: sponsor (P859). --  Docu  at 20:35, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

+ a few others ;) --  Docu  at 22:19, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

complex biology web sitesEdit

I requested some properties for FishBase, MSW, Tropicos, IPNI, MycoBank which are really important database.
But now I have an issue with database that have different urls depending on the taxon rank:

Any idea how to solve that, except requesting multiple properties?

Best regards Liné1 (talk) 20:29, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

We have to talk to the programmers of the gadget. I'm sure they can figure it out. --Tobias1984 (talk) 06:28, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

GDP growth rate and GDP per capitaEdit

Hi Tobias, thanks for commenting on the proposed properties for the Global Economic Map.

Would you consider reversing your 'oppose' stance on GDP growth rate and GDP per capita? Those statistics are available from the World Bank which is a reputable source.

Thanks for your help.Mcnabber091 (talk) 02:16, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

It looks like the properties have enough support to be created, so my vote doesn't really matter. Also the number datatype is not available yet. We have to re-evaluate the properties once it arrives. That is also why many people don't vote on number-datatype properties yet. People will start voting once they have an idea how it will look like. --Tobias1984 (talk) 11:52, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Space groupsEdit

Hi Tobias1984. Are space groups numbers of and WD:Mineralogy task force/Crystallography the same?
Space groups on
Regards --Chris.urs-o (talk) 08:17, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes, they are. Unless of course I made a mistake. A good overview page is also I am still waiting for a bot to create the other 100 items. --Tobias1984 (talk) 08:52, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
We need a bot to get the space group numbers from each mineral to Wikidata. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 11:08, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes. Doing it by hand would be too much work. Does Sbisolo have time to do it? --Tobias1984 (talk) 11:35, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Sbisolo might be building on it.wikipedia.
I'm removing main type (GND) (Property:P107). Changing to instance of (Property:P31) term (Q1969448) and subclass of (Property:P279) space group (Q899033), instead.
Are you ok with it? Regards --Chris.urs-o (talk) 05:52, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
"p31 = term" does not sound like it would work with queries. We can also remove all the p31 statements and put them into p279. --Tobias1984 (talk) 06:13, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Ok. Droping p279 = 'space group', as well; as 'space group #' is a subclass of space group as well. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 08:30, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Tobias1984, you are still using instance of Clarence Marvin Jenni (Q15019230). What now? --Chris.urs-o (talk) 06:24, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
Using instance of (P31) for people has a strong consensus. I am not sure we have the same consensus for space groups. Space Group 1 in my opinion could be either instance of (P31) or subclass of (P279). I'm not sure which is the better solution. What do you think? --Tobias1984 (talk) 07:45, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
I was thinking on instance of term. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 16:24, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
p31 = term is not such a good idea because a lot of things can be terms. I think p31 = symmetry group (Q902019) would be one of the options that is not too specific and not too general. --Tobias1984 (talk) 16:28, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
How does this look: space group 142 (Q15027442). Maybe we don't need p31 at all? --Tobias1984 (talk) 16:35, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
It is redundant, the point group is tetragonal anyway. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 18:41, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi Tobias, the interest of instance of (P31) and subclass of is that's they are general properties that can be used to class anything. It's interesting for consistency sake and for bot reasoning, for example, even if they don't know the model of symetry group, they at least know that the current item is a property group. They are useful in any field. TomT0m (talk) 16:22, 18 October 2013 (UTC)


Hallo Tobias, könntest du bitte für die neuen Eigenschaften MSW ID (P959), Tropicos ID (P960), IPNI plant ID (P961) und MycoBank taxon name ID (P962) die entsprechenden Ergänzungen vornehmen. Wie steht jeweils auf der Diskussionsseite. Danke und Gruß -- Succu (talk) 11:11, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

  Done --Tobias1984 (talk) 13:28, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

New propertyEdit

A property you proposed has been created! See Property:P970. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 21:56, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Q15145768Edit I don't have the rights(?) to see what you deleted, can you give me a bit more details please?
Jared Zimmerman (talk) 23:13, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm kind of puzzling about this one, Tobias. You sure you wanted to delete that? --Izno (talk) 00:32, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
The item was "Bachelor of Graphic Design". @Jared: Sorry, after you told me you were testing some things I thought that this item was also part of the test. The explanation for deletion is that Wikidata is about structured data, and we established in the discussions about academic degrees that degree and subject should be separate. In order to describe another item you can use bachelor's degree (Q163727) and graphic design (Q185925). So one can always be the qualifier of the other. I hope this clears everything up. --Tobias1984 (talk) 06:37, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

About pictogram property proposals on hold and RFCEdit

Hi Tobias, you put these two property proposals on hold: GHS hazard pictograms and UN pictogram because of an RFC. What is the outcome of that RFC? Can it be closed? And what about the properties? Should I sent them to the archive?--Micru (talk) 18:48, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

I can't close the RfC myself. But I think we should just create the properties meanwhile until we have a better understanding of modelling images in specific and Commons in general. --Tobias1984 (talk) 18:50, 22 November 2013 (UTC)


I didn't understood: which list will be updated once a day?--MisterSanderson (talk) 23:06, 27 November 2013 (UTC)


If a subtemplate isn't a /doc page, please don't delete the item yet. Please discuss at Wikidata:Requests for comment/Interwiki links for subpages first.--GZWDer (talk) 05:28, 31 December 2013 (UTC)


Babel lets you view and edit more than one language on Wikidata. Just add e.g. {{#babel:de-N|en-3|es-1|fr-2|nl-3|it-4|da-0}} to your user page. With the same language codes you can add links to your userpage on Wikipedia e.g. de:User:User123. --Tobias1984 (talk) 12:10, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank very much for information.--Dagli balasi.M.A (talk) 16:23, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Danke ("Merging")Edit

Hallo, ich habe dir auf meiner Diskussionsseite geantwortet. Danke für den Hinweis! -- Aisano (talk) 19:32, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Help to mergeEdit

Hi Tobias,

I have noticed your message on my talk page suggesting to add my languages. It is done. I want to ask you to help me do one thing. I have started to write about Tony Hendrik in English wiki and noticed that I cannot merge the page with the corresponding articles in other languages. There is some mess there. The article is available in German, Russian, Hungarian, and Polish -- plus my stub in English. I plan to translate from the Russian article mainly, since it is my native language.

May you fix the mess?

Thanks, Lamro (talk) 12:44, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi I merged the two items. See Help:Merge if you are ever in that situation again. all the best! --Tobias1984 (talk) 08:11, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

ICTV virus ID (P1076)Edit

Die Eigenschaft schien mir eine gute Idee zu sein, da der Parameter ICTV in der de:Vorlage:Infobox Virus benutzt wird. Es gibt auch en:Template:ICTVdB. Aufgrund deiner Bot-Anfrage hab ich mal etwas genauer hingeschaut. Die Website ist seit dem Oktober 2011 offline und nur noch eine Weiterleitung auf Im ICTV Newsletter #10, November 2012 stehen die Gründe. Die Mirrors sind wohl auf dem Stand der Taxonomie von 2005. Das liegt wohl daran, dass Cornelia Büchen-Osmond 2007 in den Ruhestand getreten ist. Im zum Download angebotenen Taxonomy Spreadsheet ist der Code nicht enthalten. Vielleicht sollten wir uns von der Eigenschaft wieder trennen!? --Succu (talk) 13:56, 24 January 2014 (UTC) PS: Hier habe ich eine Erklärung der ID gefunden.

Danke. Ich hab das vorher nicht gesehen, dass diese Codes nicht mehr aktuell sind. Obwohl natürlich auch historische Codes noch eine gewisse Relevanz haben können. Generell habe ich aber keine Probleme damit die Eigenschaft wieder zu löschen. --Tobias1984 (talk) 16:06, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Hm, auch wieder wahr. Müsste man dana irgendwo vermerken. Ich finde diese Liste noch hilfreich für den Einstieg. Ein Bot dürfte es schwer haben da etwas automatisch zu machen. Dazu ist die Unordnung noch zu groß. Bei Ordnungen und den ihnen zugeordneten Familien hab ich etwas aufgeräumt. Übrigens müsste das Format-Constraint noch geändert werden. Der abschließende Punkt gehört wohl mit zur ID. Gruß --Succu (talk) 17:38, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Bot requestEdit

Hello, we spoke last month when I asked on Project Chat about release dates for albums, movies, etc. I still think importing them from the English Wikipedia is the way to go. It will give us a mass of reasonably reliable data with which we can improve on over time. I think the community would greatly benefit from being able to query for this rudimentary property of a given work. I might also add that fact checking of the imported data may become crowd-sourced from another project I'm working on, which I could elaborate on, but I digress. Anyways, my proposal doesn't seem to be getting much attention over at WD:Bot requests. Anything you could recommend I do to expand the effort? Thanks! — MusikAnimal talk 01:35, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Hey @MusikAnimal:! I looked at the proposal and I think that it just has to sit there for a little longer. It usually takes a month until somebody has time for a reqeust. Currently bots seem to be in high demand. So if you are interested in running your own you could look at --Tobias1984 (talk) 08:22, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes I was going to ask about that... I will look at this Pywikibot, very interesting. Thank you! — MusikAnimal talk 16:34, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
@MusikAnimal: I think learning to run a Pywikibot doesn't take more than a week. But so far I have never gotten around reading the tutorials. --Tobias1984 (talk) 20:02, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

launch contractor (P1079)Edit

Hi! This property has now been created. Danrok (talk) 14:46, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

PlantList-ID (P1070)Edit

Hallo Tobias, kannst du bitte mal die Eigenschaft mit ins Gadget-AuthorityControl.js aufnehmen. Die URL hat sich mit dem Erscheinen der Version 1.1 leicht geändert:$1. Danke und Gruß --Succu (talk) 15:47, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

@Succu: Ist erledigt ;) --Tobias1984 (talk) 16:03, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

fossil found in this unit (P1137)Edit

Hi, Tobias1984. Thanks to ping me to the discussion of the creation of fossil found in this unit (P1137). Unfortunately I saw it too much late! If could be useful my comment, in general I like the solution as the number 2 and use queries for the number 1 (solutions that you proposed here), but, without queries, I support your decision to create the property. --Paperoastro (talk) 10:15, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative workEdit

Hi Tobias1984, Why you deleted opened threads? Please restore this. --Rezonansowy (talk) 14:04, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

@Rezonansowy: I accidentally moved to many threads to the archive. But I thought that I restored all of them? Which proposal is missing? --Tobias1984 (talk) 15:14, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
OK, it seems everything is restored, thanks! --Rezonansowy (talk) 15:52, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Querying latest software versionsEdit

Hi, in discussion here you state that latest software versions can be obtained from P348 property. Could you please help me how to do this? If I insert just P348 property, there are all versions listed in infoboxes (like in cs:QGIS). --Strepon (talk) 17:15, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Template:Constraint:Conflicts withEdit

Hi, as I remember you requested this functionality some time ago. — Ivan A. Krestinin (talk) 18:18, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

@Ivan A. Krestinin: Thanks so much. That is very useful. --Tobias1984 (talk) 18:31, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Electrical current & electrical energyEdit

Per Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/18#Electrical resistance, has there been an RFC yet on how to incorporate the SI-prefix-system into Wikidata, and has there been other proposals for these two properties? TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 17:55, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

@TeleComNasSprVen: Hi! I also don't know when physical units and SI-prefixes will come. The Wikidata:Development plan just says that it will be ready sometime this year. We did alrady have this RfC: Wikidata:Requests for comment/Dimensions and units for the quantity datatype. It is still open so feel free to add comments. Also you can find all the pending properties with physical units at Wikidata:Requests for comment/Dimensions and units for the quantity datatype. Hope this answers at least some of your questions :) --Tobias1984 (talk) 18:36, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

isotopes not yet measuredEdit

Hello Tobias. Thanks for your thanks :D As you saw, I have almost finish to add all the isotopes on Wikidata:WikiProject Physics/List of nuclides 5. However, I have to question before continue. For the Darmstadtium isotopes, some of them have not yet been measured. What is the politics for these cases? For example, 268Ds has not been measured while 267Ds and 269Ds have been. Should I add a line for the 268Ds isotope are should I wait until this isotope be measured? Pamputt (talk) 22:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

@Pamputt: In this case I think we can create an item. Even without measurements there are scientific predictions about what the isotoppe should look like. I also started to create items for isotopes that have no Wikipedia article as you probably saw at Wikidata:WikiProject Physics/List of nuclides. --Tobias1984 (talk) 06:54, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Hmm; I expected another answer because I disagree. This is my point: it is really tricky to allow the creation of items for isotopes which have not yet been measured. I mean that for the example I took, the 268Ds isotope probably exists but if we create an item for it, then from the reasoning, we could also create 266Ds, 265Ds, 264Ds up to the proton drip-line. However, as we do not know where is located the proton drip-line (it depends of the theoretical model that one consider), we cannot create this item before the nuclei where measured. I think we should use the same reasoning for the isotope "between" two measured isotopes (i.e. 268Ds). Pamputt (talk) 08:06, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
@Pamputt: I completely agree with you about the perspective of physics. But Wikidata is also about concepts. If a concept exists and is notable then we should have an item for it. It is similar that there is no Counter-Earth (Q1140990) but the concept of Counter-Earth (Q1140990) exists. There is certainly a presence of 268Ds on the internet. If we create the item the tricky thing are the statements. Counter-Earth (Q1140990) uses:
For 268Ds we could use:
Another thing: The reason we don't create all the items up to the proton drip-line is that there is no notable discussion or mention of the concept. I tried searching for some isotopes out of the range of typical nuclide charts (e.g. 140Ds) and couldn't come up with a single mention. So the concept doesn't exist and we don't create an item.
I hope this is a better answer to your question. --Tobias1984 (talk) 09:23, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I understood. I think I could agree with that. One just has to find the good formulation to fill the instance of (P31). "postulated isotope" sounds good for me. Pamputt (talk) 17:06, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

thanks for the welcomeEdit

Hi Tobias,

I added my babel template and a description of what I'm trying to achieve. I also replied to your proposal about changing the fundamental way works :-)

--Polyglot (talk) 11:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

@Polyglot: Thanks. I will reply over there. And welcome to Wikidata again! --Tobias1984 (talk) 11:38, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Help with propertyEdit

Hello. We have Property:P118. It's exactly what we put in template Template:Infobox football club at parameter "league — The league in which the club currently plays." Do you know if we have also properties for parameter "season — The last completed competitive league season. i.e Not the current season." and "position — The league and position to which season refers." If not, do you think it will be useful to propose for creation?

One more thing. Accidently I write a sentences in my talk page with a word that I think is personal information. Is it allowed to hide? [14]. Xaris333 (talk) 20:15, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

@Xaris333: I hid the edit. And I don't think that there is a season property. I looked at some football clubs and none of them had any statement about the league or season. You could propose all of those properties. I am sure we need that for a whole variety of sports and teams. --Tobias1984 (talk) 22:01, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello again. I made the proposals Wikidata:Property proposal/Organization. Can you check if I wrote them correct? Also, I need you to hid another 2 edits. They were 3 of them. [15] [16]. Really sorry. Xaris333 (talk) 20:43, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

@Xaris333: Great. I will take a look. Revisions are done too. --Tobias1984 (talk) 20:47, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Thx. But I check again and, I don't know why, even the construbition from MediaWiki message delivery must be hid [17]. I think this is the last one. Xaris333 (talk) 21:02, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
@Xaris333: Might take some time until the website is updated. I also hid the other revision. --Tobias1984 (talk) 21:04, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello again. Noone say anything else about the proposals. How many days we have to wait for the result? Xaris333 (talk) 01:10, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

@Xaris333: Property creation usually needs a 2 or 3 people giving their opinion. Why don't you write a message on the different Sports-Wikiprojects discussion pages. Few people have the property proposal pages on their watch list. Tobias1984 (talk) 11:14, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

kurze Frage:Edit

was zum Geier ist eine Zuchttaube? [18] Wenn ich das Datenobjekt einer Commonskategorie unbedingt benennen möchte, schaue ich mir besagte Kategorie vielleicht auch einmal an und komme dann zu zwei Feststellungen:

  1. pigeon breeds sind "Taubenrassen"
  2. und hoppla, besagte Kategorie wird ja schon unter Q8273906 verlinkt.

Besteht also die winzig kleine Möglichkeit, dass Q15623573 überflüssig ist?

Wärst du so nett, ich leitest das Rückgängigmachen solcher Redundanzen ein? Dabei darf gerne auch auf diese meine Unterseite verwiesen werden. Gruß, PigeonIP (talk) 12:48, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Sort statementsEdit

Hi @Tobias1984:, how do you get certain properties in first place of statements? Which tool do you use for edits? I did not find source editing like at Wikipedia. Thanks.--Petermahlzahn (talk) 18:42, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

@Petermahlzahn: - Wenn man auf editieren klickt sollten eigentlich sehr kleine Pfeile am rechten Rand der Statement-Box auftauchen. Ist aber eine mühselige Arbeit. -Tobias1984 (talk) 19:28, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Hallo und kurze VorstellungEdit

Hallo Tobias und danke für die nette Begrüßung. Ich schreibe ein Paper zum Thema Drug Safety, im Grunde gehts dabei um die Property drug action altered by und wie man diese sinnvoll und im Endeffekt automatisiert befüllen kann. Bei meinem Vorhaben werde ich von Matthiassamwald betreut. Da Wikidata/Wikipedia für mich noch recht neu ist werden sich bestimmt einige Fragen ergeben ;-)  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alepfu (talk • contribs).

@Alepfu: - Klingt spannend. Bin auf jeden Fall für Fragen verfügbar. -Tobias1984 (talk) 16:20, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Citation to academic journalEdit

Thanks for prototyping a citation to an academic journal, as you did with d:Q17505343. I would like to talk more with you about this. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:38, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

  Done Tobias1984 (talk) 15:57, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Commons-Kategorie nach WikiData?Edit

Hallo Tobias. Du hast Deinen Link auf meiner Disk.-Seite hinterlassen, daher wende ich mich heute an Dich.

Ich würde gerne eine Kategorie auf Commons mit den zugehörigen Artikeln der einzelnen Wikipedias verlinken. Leider hat bereits ein übereifriger thailändischer Benutzer den WikiData-Begriff mit seiner thailändisch-sprachigen Seite auf Commons verlinkt.

Genauer gesagt: es handelt sich um Rama IV (auch: "Mongkut", einen thailändischen König der "Chakri-Dynasteie"). Zu diesem Begriff gibt es mehr als 20 Artikel in den verschiedenen Wikipedias. Die Seite, die nach WikiData verlinkt ist, heißt พระบาทสมเด็จพระจอมเกล้าเจ้าอยู่หัว.

BTW: ich meine auch gesehen zu haben, dass es auf WikiData sowohl "Mongkut" als auch "Rama IV" gibt (ich weiß leider nicht, wie ich hier verlinken kann).

Weißt Du vielleicht, wie ich dieses Dilemma beheben kann?

Grüße --Hdamm (talk) 08:50, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

@Hdamm: Das ist echt ein schwieriger Fall und ich hatte leider noch nie etwas mit Commons-Seiten zu tun. Dürfte ich dich auf Wikidata:WikiProject Structured Data for Commons verweisen, wo du deine Frage nochmal stellen könntest? Beste Grüße! Tobias1984 (talk) 16:20, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
Ja, klar. Danke für den Hinweis. Grüße --Hdamm (talk) 08:45, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

GIMP 2.8.10Edit

Hallo Tobias1984, hat es einen speziellen Grund, dass du in dem GIMP-Eintrag die Version 2.8.10 stehen gelassen hast, oder hast du das nur vergessen? Wollte lieber noch mal nachfragen, bevor ich es ändere. --Marc-André Aßbrock (talk) 18:13, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

@Marc-André Aßbrock: Hey! Wikidata soll nicht nur den aktuellen Eintrag (z.B. aktueller Bürgermeister einer Stadt) sondern auch historische Daten speichern. Es könnte ja mal jemand interessieren wann Version 2.0 von GIMP erschienen ist. Die Infoboxen sollten außerdem nur den jeweils aktuellen Eintrag anzeigen, sofern sie richtig programmiert sind. Tobias1984 (talk) 20:00, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Abwesenheit, Pause, usw.Edit

Kurze Frage, wie werden Abwesenheiten oder Pausen bei Wikiprojekten und der gleichen generell gehandhabt? Ich frage weil ich mich jetzt schon länger nicht mehr bzgl. meines Bot Requests gemeldet habe und dies wahrscheinlich auch ersten wieder in 1-2 Wochen tun werde, soll ich meine Abwesenheit eventuell bekannt geben? --Alepfu (talk) 10:26, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

@Alepfu: Beim WikiProjekt muss man sich nicht unbedingt abwesend melden. Bei deinem Antrag für Bot-Rechte würde ich hinschreiben, dass du noch an den Test-Bearbeitungen dran bist. Das schlimmste was passieren kann ist, dass dein Antrag archiviert wird, wenn du dich lange nicht meldest. Wenn du willst kannst du auch Template:Busy auf deine Benutzerseite stellen. -Tobias1984 (talk) 11:16, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Testumgebung für TesteditsEdit

Hallo, ich wäre jetzt soweit ein paar Testedits mit meinem Bot einzufügen, gibt es dafür eine eigene Testumgebung oder soll man die Testedits einfach direkt ins produktive Wikidata einfügen? Bis jetzt hab ich einfach das Sandbox-Item verwendet um zu testen. Alepfu (talk) 14:33, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

@Alepfu: Ich würde die Test-Edits gleich hier machen. Du kannst ja mit 5 anfangen und dich dann auf 10, 20, 100 hocharbeiten. 100 Sollten dann auch schon reichen zum sehen, dass alles gut geht. -Tobias1984 (talk) 13:18, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikidata and ontologiesEdit


I am currenty starting to develop an ontology for the description of Physical concepts in OWL.k Is there someone in the Wikidata Physics taskforce who has knowledge in ontology building?

As a commoner, I consider helping to wikipedia and wikidata, as soon as what I do has some value for these projects.

Best regards,

Jibe-b (talk) 10:30, 22 September 2014 (UTC)Jibé

@Jibe-b: Hi Jibe-b! I think all members of the WikiProject have some basic knowledge of ontologies. You might also consider talking to User:Emw about more specific questions, as he probably has the best overview over the Wikidata ontology at the moment. You are more than welcome to join the project and we can discuss physics topics on the talk page of the WikiProject. -Tobias1984 (talk) 10:50, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Property proposalsEdit

Hi and thank you for the welcome and the help with the Orphanet IDs. If I want to make a property proposal for UBERON, do I have to talk to PropertyCreator?  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Emitraka (talk • contribs).

For proposing you can grab the template from the top of Wikidata:Property proposal/Natural science and paste it under Wikidata:Property_proposal/Natural_science#Medicine_.2F_Medizin_.2F_M.C3.A9decine. Just fill in the information as best as you can and then people can vote. A property creator or administrator can then create the property after a week of discussion. -Tobias1984 (talk) 17:26, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
@Emitraka: forgot to ping. -Tobias1984 (talk) 17:28, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks again. I forgot to sign, previously. Emitraka (talk) 17:33, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

@Emitraka: If you need any help with it I'm just online in skype: tobias_240384 -Tobias1984 (talk) 17:37, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Aushilfe bei significant drug interaction (P769) Projekt benötigtEdit

Hallo, bzgl. significant drug interaction (P769) wäre mein nächster Schritt die Wikipedia-seitige Entwicklung, im Grund gehts darum herauszufinden wie man die Information als Infobox oder im Text gut darstellen kann. Geplant wäre dies bis Ende Oktober zu erledigen damit wir (Matthiassamwald und ich) dann im November unser Paper fertigstellen können. Leider habe ich im Moment keine Zeit für dieses Projekt, und darum jetzt die Frage and dich ob du uns hier eventuell aushelfen könntest? Du würdest natürlich auch eine Ko-Autorenschaft im resultierenden Paper bekommen. Alepfu (talk) 09:51, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

UNII importEdit

Hi Tobias, I'm from Open Food Facts and also a Wikidata contributor. I've just made a Bot Import proposal regarding the UNII property. Could you provide some feedback ? --Teolemon (talk) 13:49, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

@Teolemon: Sorry I couldn't find it. On which page is the proposal? --Tobias1984 (talk) 16:29, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Found it. --Tobias1984 (talk) 16:30, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

New propertyEdit

Hi Tobias! I want to ask you if it is a good idea to create a property for webelements ID. I think it would be very useful to take a lot of information not only about physical and chemical properties about elements of the periodic, but also for biological and geological properties. If you think it's a good idea for a new property, I will propose it in the proper page. Have a good night! Restu20 23:41, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

@Restu20: The page seems to be broken at the time. I can't reach links like "crystal structure". The things I can look at look informative, but I am not sure if the page is authoritative enough to be useful as "authority control". The pages for the atoms don't have any sources, which would also violate some of the sourcing guidlines of Wikipedia (because the author of the page did not calculate the e.g. mean atomic masses himself). It would probably be better to link to a page of a research institution or chemical research organization. --Tobias1984 (talk) 10:16, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Ok, thank you very much! Restu20 10:25, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

port (P1641) createdEdit

port (P1641) is ready. Emw (talk) 02:15, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Wikidata:Abuse filterEdit

I meant the proposals to go and be discussed on the talk page... But thanks for the first one! Matěj Suchánek (talk) 08:16, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

@Matěj Suchánek: Thanks for the notice. I moved the proposal/request to the talk page. --Tobias1984 (talk) 11:21, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

has index case (P1660) has been createdEdit

I've created "has index case", let me know if I erred, this is my first property creation. :P --AmaryllisGardener talk 03:54, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

@AmaryllisGardener: Looks good. Thanks for helping with property creations. --Tobias1984 (talk) 09:48, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Football clubs in european cupsEdit

Hello. Do you think we could have in every football clubs name its record in European cups? I mean to have the competition played, the opponent, the result. Is that possible and useful? Or do you think we can use wikidata to organized those information in English (or other language) Wikipedia? Xaris333 (talk) 04:16, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

@Xaris333: Would it not be better to create items for each match? I think matches are notable enough to be items. Makes it easier to add the referee, the stadium etc... --Tobias1984 (talk) 08:48, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Item for each match? Do you have an example? Xaris333 (talk) 21:13, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
@Xaris333: For example: 2002 FIFA World Cup Final (Q715021). If we say that only higher division games are notable then that is roughly a few 10 kilo-items per year. I think that that is no problem if we think of e.g. >1 million Wikidata-notable publications per year. And I bet roughly 10 kilo-people become Wikpedia-notable per year. Large numbers should not bother us while trying to describe the world in my opinion. --Tobias1984 (talk) 21:33, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
If I want to create a page, for example, about w:en:2014–15 UEFA Champions League group stage#Group A "Olympiacos Greece 3–2 Atlético Madrid" how I will call that page? Xaris333 (talk) 22:16, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
@Xaris333: How about "Home-team - Away-team match on date" or your example "Olympiacos Greece - Atlético Madrid match on the 16 September 2014"? Maybe a good discussion for the WikiProject Football? --Tobias1984 (talk) 22:32, 2 January 2015 (UTC)


Hallo Tobias. Kannst du da eine deutschsprachige Bezeichnung ergänzen? Ich bin mir da nicht sicher. --Leyo 23:43, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

@Leyo: Danke für den Hinweis. Ich war mir auch nicht sicher wie man das am besten übersetzt. Ich werde das gleich an einen Experten weiterleiten. --Tobias1984 (talk) 00:03, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Danke! Drauf gekommen bin ich übrigens deswegen (ziemlich weit unten). --Leyo 00:05, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Die Beschreibung kommt dann noch von jemand der sich auskennt. Danke für den Link. Immer wieder schön zu sehen, wo überall fleißig gearbeitet wird. --Tobias1984 (talk) 00:11, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Meine letzten beiden LAEdit

Hallo Tobias, ich glaube einfach nicht was sich hier abspielt. Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions/Archive/2015/01/10#Q15636240 respiratory otomy und Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions/Archive/2015/01/10#Q15636253 musculoskeletal otomy wurde abgebürstet, dass ich mich Anfrage, ob hier überhaupt die richtigen Leute am Ruder sind. Diese Begriffe sind nicht nur eine sprachliche Katastrophe, sie gibt es schlicht und einfach nicht. Wenn man sie bei Google eingibt, dann erscheinen praktisch nur Wikidata-Ergebnisse. Diese Seiten kann nur jemand angelegt haben, der von medizinischer Terminologie keinen Schimmer hat. --Uwe Gille (talk) 15:44, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

@Uwe Gille: Hallo Uwe. Die Löschanträge wurden vermutlich abgelehnt weil schon einige Seiten auf die beiden Objekte (musculoskeletal otomy (Q15636253), respiratory otomy (Q15636240)) verweisen. In Wikidata geht es ja auch eine Taxonomie des Wissens zu erstellen (Oder in der Informatik auch Ontologie genannt). Das bedeutet auch, dass gewisse Begriffe aus daten-strukturellen Gründen benötigt werden. Ich gebe dir aber Recht, dass diese Objekte nicht auf eine Weise beschriftet werden sollten, die den Anschein erweckt, dass es sich um medizinische Fachbegriffe handelt. Vor allem von griechischen und lateinischen Neuschöpfungen sollten wir Abstand nehmen. Ich hab mal diese Argumente mal in die Diskussion eingebracht. Danke für den Hinweis. --Tobias1984 (talk) 20:40, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Vllt. ist ja die tolle Liste en:List of -otomies Ursache des Übels. Gruß --Succu (talk) 20:57, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Der Titel dieser Liste ist in der Tat unsinnig, aber zumindest hat jemand erkannt, dass -otomy nur in Composita auftaucht und einen Bindestrich vorangesetzt. Fugenlaute gibt es im Englischen wohl nicht, weil die kaum Wortzusammensetzungen bilden. Aber auch in dieser Liste kommt keine "otomy" vor, der ein Adjektiv vorangestellt ist. --Uwe Gille (talk) 21:48, 10 January 2015 (UTC)



I spotted that you are person who archive property proposals. Do you know person who have experience with creation of properties/you can do this? Because I never created property, and in my opinion Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#nazwa_oryginalna_.2F_nazwa_miejscowa is right now in phase that it should be created.

Can you create this property, please? PMG (talk) 12:45, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

  Done and can be found here: native label (P1705) --Tobias1984 (talk) 15:52, 19 January 2015 (UTC)


Hello. In accordance with WD:A, your administrator permissions were removed by another steward today because you had not made 10 admin actions over the last 6 months. Thank you for your service to Wikidata! --Rschen7754 01:02, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

@Rschen7754: Thanks for the message. I've Been kind of busy lately with another project. --Tobias1984 (talk) 10:29, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Taxa mit UNII (P652)Edit

Hallo Tobias, da du die Eigenschaft mal vorgeschlagen hast wende ich mich an dich. Es gibt mittlerweile mehr als 60 Verwendungen bei Datenobjekten die ein Taxon beschreiben. Das scheint mir lt. Eigenschaftsbeschreibung nicht korrekt zu sein. Für beispielsweise Magnolia champaca (Q167027) ergibt der UNII-Link: Preferred Substance Name = MICHELIA CHAMPACA WHOLE. Für mich deutet das eher darauf hin, das es mal eine (chemische) Untersuchung der gesamten Pflanze gab. Das ist aber keine Eigenschaft dieser Pflanze. Vllt. kannst du mich ja aufklären. Frohe Ostern, auch wenns noch nicht ganz soweit ist. --Succu (talk) 18:37, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@Succu: Hallo Succu! Hab mir die Seite gerade nochmal angeschaut. Im Grunde genommen müsste man ja sagen, dass gar nicht genug Information auf den Seiten sind, um zweifelsfrei festzustellen, dass es sich um die gleichen semantischen Konzepte handelt. Das sollte man sicher mal mit dem Chemie-Projekt besprechen. - Ich verstehe nicht ganz, warum der Chemismus nicht auch eine Eigenschaft dieser Pflanze sein kann? --Tobias1984 (talk) 19:21, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Man kann sagen, dass in einem Taxon bestimmte chemische Inhaltstoffe nachgewiesen werden konnten, also etwa Lophophora williamsii (Q271937) <enthält> mescaline (Q193140), hordenine (Q119915), ... Je nach Organ und Methode variieren die nachgewiesenen Wert zum Teil erheblich. Bei der fraglichen Eigenschaft ist in dem Fall nicht mal klar welche Substanz nachgewiesen wurde, nur, dass der gesamte Organismus untersucht wurde. Gruß --Succu (talk) 19:44, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
@Succu: Genau das hab ich mir auch gedacht. Ohne verlinkte Studie wäre jeder chemische Messwert nutzlos. Und auch der "gesamte" Organismus ist schwierig zu definieren, wenn man das Verhältnis der gemörserten Wurzeln, Blätter und Früchten nicht kennt. - Ich hab aber auch nicht wirklich eine Idee wie wir das in Wikidata regeln sollen. Der Mittelweg wird sich vermutlich erst in ein paar Jahren zeigen. --Tobias1984 (talk) 20:07, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Die Bedeutung von „gesamter Organismus” ist aber klar: Schreddere das gesamte Lebewesen und miss den Anteil der chem. Verbindung X und ignoriere weitere hilfreiche Faktoren wie Dry matter (Q393855) etc. Wir müssen das jetzt aber nicht weiter vertiefen. Gruß --Succu (talk) 20:18, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
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