Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/37

Expedition Missions

Not done

Description	Expeditions an astronaut has participated in
Data type	Item
Example	Samantha Cristoforetti (Q379039) -> Expedition 42 (Q1654888), Expedition 43 (Q1601052)
Source	Nasa web site, other
Proposed by	--Adert (talk) 12:33, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Oppose Use participant in (P1344):

⟨ Samantha Cristoforetti (Q379039)  

 ⟩ participant in (P1344) ⟨ Expedition 42 (Q1654888)  

 ⟩

⟨ Samantha Cristoforetti (Q379039)  

 ⟩ participant in (P1344) ⟨ Expedition 43 (Q1601052)  

 ⟩

Josh Baumgartner (talk) 08:56, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done Not enought support. --Tobias1984 (talk) 11:35, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

aphelion

Done: apoapsis (P2243) (Talk and documentation)

Data type	Number (not available yet)
Example	Earth (Q2) → 151930000 km

Yair rand (talk) 11:21, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support - Mbch331 (talk) 11:23, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support but I'm not sure about the data type. In general those values have measurement uncertainties, so Quantity might be better. Why restrict this to the sun? Apoapsis would be more general. Same for periapsis. --mfb (talk) 13:14, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Number and quantity are the same when creating a property. You can't create a number-type property, only a quantity or string. Mbch331 (talk) 14:26, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done --Tobias1984 (talk) 11:40, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

perihelion

Done: periapsis (P2244) (Talk and documentation)

Data type	Number (not available yet)
Example	Earth (Q2) → 147095000 km

Yair rand (talk) 11:21, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion: Support - Mbch331 (talk) 11:23, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]; Support but need a change of name to periapsis. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 20:08, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

INEGI municipality identifier

Not done

Description	...
Represents	INEGI municipality code (Q21061306)
Data type	String
Template parameter	Wikipedia infobox parameters, if any; ex: "population" in en:template:infobox settlement
Domain	municipality of Mexico (Q1952852)
Allowed values	[0-3][0-9]{4}
Example	Aguascalientes Municipality (Q391149) → "01001"
Format and edit filter validation	(sample: 7 digit number can be validated with edit filter Special:AbuseFilter/17)
Source	http://www.microrregiones.gob.mx/catloc/Default.aspx?tipo=clave&campo=mun&valor=01, http://www.microrregiones.gob.mx/catloc/Default.aspx?tipo=clave&campo=mun&valor=02, http://www.microrregiones.gob.mx/catloc/Default.aspx?tipo=clave&campo=mun&valor=03
Robot and gadget jobs	Should or are bots or gadgets doing any task with this? (Checking other properties for consistency, collecting data, etc.)

Motivation

Verify existence of Mexican municipalities and verify associated data. 91.9.113.154 13:01, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Comment I assume this is different from existing INEGI locality ID (P1976). --- Jura 13:07, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
User:Jura1, yes.
- State: Aguascalientes State => 01.
- Municipality: Aguascalientes Municipality => 01001
- Locality: Aguascalientes (locality) => 010010001
There are already municipality items that use INEGI locality ID (P1976) [9 digit field] to store the municipality identifier [5 digit], source: Special:WhatLinksHere/Property:P1976. E.g. [1], [2] 91.9.113.154 13:19, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Unless someone else wants, I suppose we have to archive this. IP was blocked. --- Jura 16:27, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

crosses

Not done

Description	The item crossed by a bridge, etc.
Data type	Item
Template parameter	`\|crosses=` in en:Template:Infobox bridge
Domain	bridges, viaducts, aqueducts
Allowed values	roads, railways, waterways, footpaths, etc
Example	Perry Bridge (Q7169729) → River Tame (Q369528)
Source	Wikipedia infoboxes

Motivation

Common in infoboxes. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:07, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

crosses (P177) already exists. Swpb (talk) 14:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose use crosses (P177) --Pasleim (talk) 20:01, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

number of pistes

Not done

Description	number of pistes of a ski area
Represents	piste (Q1281105)
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Domain	ski areas
Example	Serfaus–Fiss–Ladis (Q1741253) → 163

Motivation

Needed for describing ski areas. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 19:39, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Prefer a claim <has part> piste <quantity> N. --Izno (talk) 19:20, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sorted to Place page. Josh Baumgartner (talk) 05:11, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Use instead:
⟨ Serfaus–Fiss–Ladis (Q1741253)    ⟩ has part(s) (P527) ⟨ piste (Q1281105)    ⟩
quantity (P1114) ⟨  163 ⟩
Josh Baumgartner (talk) 05:11, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done No support. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:20, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

ACM Classification Code (2012)

Done: ACM Classification Code (2012) (P2179) (Talk and documentation)

Description	ACM Computing Classification Code of 2012 (8 digits)
Represents	ACM Computing Classification System (Q288530)
Data type	String
Template parameter	ACM Code (2012)
Domain	any
Example	vulnerability (Q631425) -> 10002997 , malware (Q14001) -> 10002997
Format and edit filter validation	The URL can be validated with a pattern
Source	RDF/XML and HTML version
Formatter URL	http://dl.acm.org/buildccscode.cfm?id=$1&lid=f
Robot and gadget jobs	A gadget ACM2Wikipedia will propose the ACM's categories with their label in function of text in the page Wikipedia. The user can select one label and save this url in Wikidata.

Motivation

The 2012 ACM Computing Classification System can be utilized in semantic web applications. It relies on a semantic vocabulary as the single source of categories and concepts that reflect the state of the art of the computing discipline. This classification system plays a key role in the classification of publications in the computer science. This property will help to link the concepts of Wikidata (and so, also wikipedia) to scientists' publications. Open Science is near... Karima Rafes (talk) 22:31, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

@Karima Rafes: Please provide an example that relates to a stated, existing Wikidata item, as done for other property proposals. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:04, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Pigsonthewing: I inserted examples. It's ok ? --90.44.36.135 11:47, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. It seems that the ID is, for instance "10002997" and the formatter URL is "http://dl.acm.org/buildccscode.cfm?id=$1&lid=f". Is that pattern consistent? (i.e. can we always replace "$1" with an ID and get a vaid URL?) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:56, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Pigsonthewing: It seems, we can always replace "$1" with an ID and get a vaid URL. The two solutions are good for me. I'm prefer URL because the user of wikidata can see directly the page of ACM about this ID but it's true, the URL is not very nice... We replace the type URL by a integer ? --Karima Rafes (talk) 08:34, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Karima Rafes: Not quite; we actually use "string" datatypes for such things. I've made the necessary changes, above, but I see that both of your examples use the same value. Please check. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:57, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Pigsonthewing: Great ! Now, we wait the validation ? --Karima Rafes (talk) 09:03, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Karima Rafes: No, we need to resolve "both of your examples use the same value". Is that correct?

@Pigsonthewing: Yes this is correct. For the same ID, there will be hundreds of entities. Here vulnerability (Q631425) malware (Q14001) will have the same id 10002997 --Karima Rafes (talk) 16:04, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Karima Rafes:, So each of these numbers corresponds to a class ('category') of items. In that case shouldn't this property be used on the wikidata item corresponding to the ICM category, rather than using it on every item in that category? Will adding it to every item breach any ICM copyright?
Note that the ICM categorisation has only one property (the category) so it may well be better to add the ICM category to every item rather than trying to bend the wikidata statements to fit the ICM categorisation. @Pigsonthewing: what do you think? Joe Filceolaire (talk) 15:39, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So how many of these IDs does ICM have? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:52, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Pigsonthewing: Sorry, I do not know ICM. I speak about ACM Computing Classification. I suppose, ICM is one of hundreds of classification in the world. Here, the question is not to give again (and again...) a new category in Wikidata. I do not know if ACM is the best or not. The question is : How do you link the "million" of scientific publications with ACM's ID with the page of Wikipedia via Wikidata ? My proposition is to show the old publications in relation with a page of Wikipedia via a gadget that will use the ACM's ID in Wikidata. Have you an other manner to do that ? This new property is not nice but it's the more simple solution for linking Wikipedia to computer science's publications. I hope you are convinced. Bye --Karima Rafes (talk) 07:59, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Karima Rafes: Which proportion of the ACM categories don't have their counterparts in Wikidata items ? I bet only a few ... This is a case for Databases interlinking, and Wikidata is quite good at it. We can ask for a "mix and match" (https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/?#) dataset to directly map the ACM categories to their Wikidata items. Wikidata has not to replicate any classification in the world, but has to find nice ways to interlink databases. I'm afraid adding a property to reflect another classification is not the custom here, we use this to source our own classification statements and properties like main subject (P921). author TomT0m / talk page 09:15, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry; I meant ACM. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:03, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Pigsonthewing:@TomT0m: Another solution, it's to change the name of this property by : "ACM 2012 ID" and the description : "ACM's ID for databases interlinking". So the wikidata's users will not use this property for creating another classification in Wikidata. This property will be only an ID for "Databases interlinking". What do you think ? Bye --Karima Rafes (talk) 10:16, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would say to leave the label alone and rewrite the description to make clear it is only for the wikidata item corresponding to that ACM category and not for the members of the category. Joe Filceolaire (talk) 16:16, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Filceolaire: But the aim is to link the entities of Wikidata with ACM's categories via this property. It's exactly the same problem with the ROME Occupation Code (P867) for the occupations and there are no problems with other classifications in wikidata. I simplified the description and label to avoid using it as a category (like the property ROME Occupation Code (P867)). It's more clear now ? Bye --Karima Rafes (talk) 20:08, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Karima property ROME Occupation Code (P867) can be used to label wikidata items (not "entities". On wikidata "entitities" = "properties" + "items"). Property occupation (P106) is then used to link items for persons to these occupation items.

Similarly the proposed "ACM Classification Code 2012" property can be used to link to the corresponding wikidata items (items with the "subclass of (P279)" property) but individual wikidata items associated with this category will use a number of different properties to link to it, including instance of (P31), part of (P361), main subject (P921), facet of (P1269) so it may be difficult to harvest all of these associated items (but if you manage to do so you will have more info than the ACM "category" relation would give you.

Having said that I

Support the creation of this property. Joe Filceolaire (talk) 17:23, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Joe Filceolaire. I

Support the creation of this property. --Karima Rafes (talk) 07:57, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support As this classification has its own article in Wikipedia, it's well-known and should be used here. Moreover this will allow us to link the articles with some reference publications on the sites like https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/. JackPotte (talk) 09:59, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I

Support the creation of this property. --Gregory Grefenstette (talk) 15:55, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I

Support the creation of this property. --Julien.Nauroy (talk) 05:06, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Swiss parliamentary directory identifier

Not done

Description	identifier for a past or present parliamentary in a directory of all members of the Swiss Parliament
Data type	String
Template parameter	Template:Parliament.ch (Q14375425)
Domain	human (Q5)
Example	Christoph Blocher (Q123857) → 21
Formatter URL	http://www.parlament.ch/i/suche/pagine/biografie.aspx?biografie_id=$1
Robot and gadget jobs	You could parse Wikipedia pages to find the code and update related entry on Wikidata

Motivation

Openpolis ID (P1229) and other properties are still on Wikidata , so Wikidata should have an entry for Federal Assembly of Switzerland (Q684719) ★ → A ir on 90 10:20, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Comment This should be Swiss parliament ID (P1307). -- Gymel (talk) 10:36, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I looked for it but I didn't find it. Maybe I'm not good in it. Thank you very much! --★ → A ir on 90 18:26, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Historical Dictionary of Switzerland directory identifier

Not done

Description	identifier for a entry in the directory of the Historical Dictionary of Switzerland
Data type	String
Template parameter	Template:HDS (Q6235090)
Domain	human (Q5)
Example	Christoph Blocher (Q123857) → I41879
Formatter URL	http://www.hls-dhs-dss.ch/textes/i/$1.php
Robot and gadget jobs	You could parse Wikipedia pages to find the code and update related entry on Wikidata

Motivation

Historical Dictionary of Switzerland (Q642074) is a great work and Wikidata should have an entry for it ★ → A ir on 90 10:32, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Comment This definitely is HDS ID (P902) (and related is Lexicon istoric retic ID (P886)). -- Gymel (talk) 10:38, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I looked for it but I didn't find it. Maybe I'm not good in it. Thank you very much! --★ → A ir on 90 18:26, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Duration

Not done

Description	duration of the album
Data type	Time duration (integer/seconds?)-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Example 1	MISSING
Example 2	MISSING
Example 3	MISSING
Source	Musicbrainz

Motivation

By using seconds it is possible to obtain full duration divided by hours, minutes and seconds. Used in w:it:Template:Tracce. --★ → A ir on 90 13:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion: Support, but item is wrong datatype. --Stryn (talk) 07:47, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]; Support --NaBUru38 (talk) 23:22, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support and comment: we also need badly need running times/durations for films and such. So "duration" can apply across different art forms. no? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 04:26, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Shawn --Viscontino ^talk 10:09, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Support Nurick (talk) 22:21, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support as number with units (seconds) -- MichaelSchoenitzer (talk) 15:19, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See duration (P2047). — Ayack (talk) 12:13, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done use duration (P2047) Almondega (talk) 05:20, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kansallisbiografia ID

Done: Kansallisbiografia ID (P2180) (Talk and documentation)

Description	code of the entry on the Kansallisbiografia database
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Domain	people
Example	Heidi Hautala (Q256001) → 8903
Formatter URL	http://www.kansallisbiografia.fi/kb/artikkeli/$1

Motivation

See Kansallisbiografia ★ → A ir on 90 22:02, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion: Support Jonathan Groß (talk) 21:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Finnish MP ID

Done: Finnish MP ID (P2181) (Talk and documentation)

Description	code of the entry on the Finnish parliament database
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	Template:Eduskunta (Q18829152)
Domain	people
Example	Heidi Hautala (Q256001) → 352
Formatter URL	https://www.eduskunta.fi/FI/kansanedustajat/Sivut/$1.aspx

Motivation

See Finnish parliament ★ → A ir on 90 22:02, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion: Support Jonathan Groß (talk) 21:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]; Support - seems straight-forward. Josh Baumgartner (talk) 23:43, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]; Support - seems useful Silverfish (talk) 21:00, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Finnish Ministers database ID

Done: Finnish Ministers database ID (archived) (P2182) (Talk and documentation)

Description	code of the entry on the Finnish ministers database
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	Q20917329
Domain	politician (Q82955)
Example	Pekka Haavisto (Q317485) → 91
Source	Template:Ministerikortisto/nro on Finnish Wikipedia (Q175482)
Formatter URL	http://145.247.195.5/tietoa-valtioneuvostosta/hallitukset/vuodesta-1917/tulokset/en.jsp?report_id=M2&selectedCriterion.ministeri_henkilo_id=$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Just import the data from the source one time.

Motivation

Another important database from the Finnish politics to define items on Wikidata. ★ → A ir on 90 20:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

FYI I don't know why but on Finnish Wikipedia the following URL is used:

http://145.247.195.5/tietoa-valtioneuvostosta/hallitukset2/vuodesta-1917/tulokset/fi.jsp?report_id=M2&selectedCriterion.ministeri_henkilo_id=$1

I propose the following one because it has link to the official website, it is the one used in the website if you start surfing from the homepage (and because the language is English, of course)

http://145.247.195.5/tietoa-valtioneuvostosta/hallitukset/vuodesta-1917/tulokset/en.jsp?report_id=M2&selectedCriterion.ministeri_henkilo_id=$1

--★ → A ir on 90 20:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support Jonathan Groß (talk) 21:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Note that property 'formatter URL (P1630)' can have multiple values each with a qualifier (such as 'language'). One (or none or all) of these can be marked as preferred. How many languages are available? Joe Filceolaire (talk) 04:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC). Fixed Joe Filceolaire (talk) 21:44, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Filceolaire:

As I don't know the meaning of "preferred" - though I can understand it - I'd not set a preferred link by now. --★ → A ir on 90 13:40, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See Help:Ranking for how to set preferred rank (it's the three small squares that appear next to the value/item when you edit a claim). In this case I think the three 'formatter' values can probably all have equal rank, provided they each have a 'language of work or name (P407)' qualifier. It can always be changed later if there are problems. Joe Filceolaire (talk) 21:37, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support Josh Baumgartner (talk) 23:43, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

average gradient on a railway

Done: average gradient (P2198) (Talk and documentation)

Description	average gradient on a railway
Represents	grade (Q1139344)
Data type	number (percent) or 1 in n-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Template parameter	(none I know of)
Domain	itinerary (Q2450078)
Allowed values	0-100 (percent) or positive numbers for 1 in n
Example	Snowdon Mountain Railway (Q1798093) → 1 in 7.86 or 12.72%
Format and edit filter validation	(sample: 7 digit number can be validated with edit filter Special:AbuseFilter/17)
Source	Wikipedia articles, external references
Robot and gadget jobs	Should or are bots or gadgets doing any task with this? (Checking other properties for consistency, collecting data, etc.)
Proposed by	Thryduulf (talk: local

Motivation

This is a key property for funicular railways. I'm not sure which units are best for this though? Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 23:13, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support. Comment as property above. Joe Filceolaire (talk) 22:55, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support as with maximum gradient. Josh Baumgartner (talk) 17:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose wrong datetype (use number without unit instead), oppose label: create generic gradient instead. --- Jura 22:28, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

number of aerial lifts

Not done

Description	number of aerial lifts in a area
Represents	aerial lift (Q13409250)
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Domain	geographical entities
Example	Serfaus–Fiss–Ladis (Q1741253) → 67 (also possible to use with applies to part, aspect, or form (P518) for specific types)

Motivation

Needed for describing ski areas. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 19:32, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion: Oppose I would use has part(s) (P527) with qualifier quantity (P1114). e.g.
⟨ Serfaus–Fiss–Ladis (Q1741253)    ⟩ has part(s) (P527) ⟨ ski lift (Q891302)    ⟩
quantity (P1114) ⟨  67 ⟩
--Pasleim (talk) 15:58, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]; Oppose Use has part(s) (P527) with quantity (P1114) as per Pasleim (talk • contribs • logs). Josh Baumgartner (talk) 21:25, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done No support. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:18, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Average gradient

Done: average gradient (P2198) (Talk and documentation)

Description	average gradient on a railway
Represents	grade (Q1139344)
Data type	number (percent) or 1 in n-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Template parameter	(none I know of)
Domain	itinerary (Q2450078)
Allowed values	0-100 (percent) or positive numbers for 1 in n
Example	Snowdon Mountain Railway (Q1798093) → 1 in 7.86 or 12.72%
Format and edit filter validation	(sample: 7 digit number can be validated with edit filter Special:AbuseFilter/17)
Source	Wikipedia articles, external references
Robot and gadget jobs	Should or are bots or gadgets doing any task with this? (Checking other properties for consistency, collecting data, etc.)

Motivation

This is a key property for funicular railways. I'm not sure which units are best for this though? Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 23:13, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support. Comment as property above. Joe Filceolaire (talk) 22:55, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support as with maximum gradient. Josh Baumgartner (talk) 17:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose wrong datetype (use number without unit instead), oppose label: create generic gradient instead. --- Jura 22:28, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Spatial width

Done: width (P2049) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Spatial extent for the object along the secondary axis, what is most commonly referred to as its width.
Represents	length (Q36253)
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	"width" in w:en:template:infobox lake
Domain	Any object with spatial extent
Allowed values	All positive one-dimensional values with a length unit
Example	The width of the lake Mjøsa (Q212209)
Robot and gadget jobs	Bots would collect this from both articles in Wikipedia and use external datasets
Proposed by	Jeblad (talk)

Discussion

This is a spatial extent for an object. Also called maximum width some places. Other proposals include the discussion at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Pending/2#length and Wikidata:Requests for comment/Dimensions and units for the quantity datatype#Length. I believe it is a difference between a spatial objects length across the main axis (length across the secondary) and some width. The later would use a qualifier. An alternate name could be width extent, or even spatial width extent. Jeblad (talk) 20:37, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note that #Spatial extent is an alternate and more general solution. Jeblad (talk) 01:41, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

On hold pending data type. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:56, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Angular position

Done: position angle (P2211) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Position angle
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	en:Template:Starbox relpos posang
Domain	term
Proposed by	GZWDer (talk) 11:04, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support
Support Datatype should be Number with dimension (degrees). Filceolaire (talk) 00:53, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Angular distance

Done: angular distance (P2212) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Angular distance
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	en:Template:Starbox relpos angdistsec, angdistmas
Domain	term
Proposed by	GZWDer (talk) 11:04, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support --Paperoastro (talk) 20:43, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Snipre (talk) 21:29, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Datatype should be Number with dimension (degrees). Filceolaire (talk) 00:47, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support it is necessary for infobox. Sunpriat (talk) 19:35, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Longitude of ascending node

Done: longitude of ascending node (P2213) (Talk and documentation)

Description	точка стояния
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	ru:Шаблон:Космический аппарат, ru:Шаблон:Космическая экспедиция Точка стояния en:Template:Infobox_spacecraft longitude
Domain	космические аппараты на геостационарной орбите
Allowed values	-180 - +180
Example	Ямал-201, точка стояния: 90° в. д.
Source	сайт NASA, launchlog, карточки в статьях, список запусков и т. д.
Robot and gadget jobs	Могу настроить бота на проверку значения свойства по какому-либо источнику, например, launchlog-у.
Proposed by	— Ivan A. Krestinin (talk) 19:20, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Spacecraft are moved and drift so the longitude is only accurate at a certain moment in time, although many craft remain at a working longitude for years. Secretlondon (talk) 13:58, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We can apparently have qualifiers so this is fine, we can say this was accurate at X date. Secretlondon (talk) 15:41, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support Secretlondon (talk) 10:11, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I corrected the template form numeric to number. --Tobias1984 (talk) 14:05, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support with the qualifier for the time. This property could be useful also for Astronomy task force. --Paperoastro (talk) 13:30, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose -- "Longitude" is only valid for a small subset of all satellites; for example, it is a "nominal longitude" or "assigned longitude" or maybe "licensed longitude" (licensed by the ICC or some such) only for Earth satellites in Geosynchronous or Geostationary orbits. This parm makes no sense at all for orbital satellites in any other orbit. N2e (talk) 02:29, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Geosynchronous orbits are important subset of orbits. The most communication satellites are placed on geostationary orbit. Longitude is important characteristic of these satellites. This characteristic is mentioned in every source that describe geostationary satellite, for example see [3]. 17:37, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Comment We wouldn't use it for satellites that are not in geosynchronous orbit, like we do with the longitude property in satellite infoboxes currently. It doesn't need to be used on every spacecraft. Secretlondon (talk) 19:27, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support Filceolaire (talk) 00:32, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'd like to move this proposal to "approved/pending", but imho the name is too much generic. It is possible to choose a more general name (e.g. "longitude of ascending node")? --Paperoastro (talk) 21:52, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done Name changed, ready to be moved to the archive.--Micru (talk) 20:42, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Parallax

Description: The parallax of nearest stars.
Datatype: QuantityValue (units=milli arcsecond)
Links:
Domain: the nearest stars.
Infobox parameter example: en:Template:Starbox astrometry parallax
Comments: property strictly correlated with the distance. --Paperoastro (talk) 15:08, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support it is necessary for infobox. Sunpriat (talk) 19:26, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Done see parallax (P2214).--GZWDer (talk) 04:56, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Proper motion / Eigenbewegung / Mouvement propre

Description: The proper motion of a star.
Datatype: QuantityValue (units=milli arcsecond per year)
Links:
Domain: stars
Infobox parameter example: en:Template:Starbox astrometry ra, dec
Comments: --Paperoastro (talk) 14:49, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support it is necessary for infobox. Sunpriat (talk) 19:27, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Done see P2215 (P2215).--GZWDer (talk) 04:55, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Radial velocity

Done: radial velocity (P2216) (Talk and documentation)

Description	en:Radial velocity
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	en:Template:Starbox astrometry radial_v
Domain	term
Example	Algol (Q13080)=>3.7 km/s
Proposed by	GZWDer (talk) 11:04, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support --Paperoastro (talk) 18:08, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support it is necessary for infobox. Sunpriat (talk) 19:33, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

cruise speed

Done: cruise speed (P2217) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Design cruise speed
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Example	<Boeing 737> cruise speed <780 km/h>
Proposed by	Joshbaumgartner (talk)

Comment - can be a qualifier for speed. "type of speed" links to item "cruise speed", "max speed", "min speed"... --Tobias1984 (talk) 14:01, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Generic: Speed. --Tobias1984 (talk) 14:18, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Agree, qualifiers would be best. Danrok (talk) 16:03, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment i think should be a qualifers for speed LucaBiondi (talk) 12:41, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support It is more useful for data entry and access for common data points such as maximum speed, cruise speed, etc. to have their own distinct properties instead of relying on qualifiers. Joshbaumgartner (talk) 00:39, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Orbital period

Done: orbital period (P2146) (Talk and documentation)

Description	the time taken for a given astronomic object to make one complete en:orbit about another object. A qualifier can distinguish different definitions of orbital period (i.e. sidereal period, or synodic period).
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	en:template:Infobox planet period, synodic_period
Domain	asteroids, satellites, dwarf planets, planets, stars
Proposed by	Paperoastro (talk)

Comment, datatype changed from time to number, see below --Zolo (talk) 12:05, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Move to pending.--GZWDer (talk) 02:55, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support it is necessary for infobox. Sunpriat (talk) 19:36, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Rotation period

Done: rotation period (P2147) (Talk and documentation)

Description	the time that astronomic objects takes to complete one revolution around its en:axis of rotation.
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	en:template:Infobox planet sidereal_day
Domain	asteroids, satellites, dwarf planets, planets, stars
Proposed by	Paperoastro (talk)

Comment, datatype changed from time to number --Zolo (talk) 12:05, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Move to pending.--GZWDer (talk) 02:55, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support it is necessary for infobox. Sunpriat (talk) 19:45, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Updated from P572 Almondega (talk) 05:41, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

net worth

Done: net worth (P2218) (Talk and documentation)

Description	wealth a person has
Data type	number with dimension-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Template parameter	net_worth in w:Template:Infobox person
Domain	people
Example	Bill Gates (Q5284) --> 77,100,000,000 [unit:United States dollar (Q4917)]
Source	infoboxes
Proposed by	--Jakob (talk)

Discussion

Support. Awesome idea. The fact that currency units are somewhat unwieldy due to exchange rates is an issue that needs attention, but it should not prevent us from creating interesting and relevant properties like this. Emw (talk) 19:00, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think issues are more about verifiability/privacy/volatility than with exchange rate fluctation (very large fortunes are often stocks, and often mostly in just one company, which means that the volatility in local currency will often have more impact than exchange rate fluctation). It means that we should have a date qualifier providing a day, not just a year, if we want something a bit precise, and I am not sure such data exist. This best known source about large wealth is Forbes 500 but it is not really a model of precision and transparency. I cannot even find any indication about how they got their data. And even if we say "this is what we have, so let's go with it", their might be a copyright issue as their is arguably an element of creativity about determining these wealth data (not sure about that actually, maybe its ok as US laws are more permissive than Europe's in this respect). All that does not mean I am opposing this property, just wondering about its practical implementation.
Also about the datatype, I do not think that currencies are planned as a unit anytime soon. Should we rather create a "currency" qualifier ? --Zolo (talk) 07:28, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The concerns about copyright and sourcing seem like a stretch, and, in the seemingly remote chance they're valid, applicable to many if not most of our existing properties. More information on the Forbes ranking is in The World's Billionaires. The "currency" qualifier seems like a reasonable workaround for proper unit support. Emw (talk) 13:00, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, a currency qualifier is a good idea. Not sure why there are privacy problems (this appears in infoboxes already) or copyright (Wikipedia is CC-BY-SA and uses that info). --Jakob (talk) 13:27, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Emw, Jakec: What was not planned were currency conversions, but IIRC currency units are feasible. Anyhow, just in case check with WD:DEV.--Micru (talk) 17:26, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Micru, done: Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#Currency_units. Emw (talk) 15:14, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Micru, John says: "Yes, currency will be among those units." Emw (talk) 00:51, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Emw:. Currently, we are refraining from importing European population data, following the official advice from the legal team. Much of it is CC-BY-SA but that does not appear to be permissive enough. I am not saying that we can't find uncopyrightable data about this, just that importing the full Forbes list may not be ok - and that in most cases the data are imprecise and debatable. --Zolo (talk) 16:38, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Zolo, could you please provide a link to that advice from the legal team regarding European population data? If that data can't be included on Wikidata because it's CC-BY-SA (is population data even copyrightable under US law?), then presumably we should delete Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036), since the Dewey Decimal Classification is not freely licensed, or at best licensed under CC BY-NC-ND, which is not compatible with CC0. A comment in Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/17#P1036 mentions it's "free to use the simple ID" from DDC, but the statement is rather tenuously sourced. If we're using DDC ID without formal approval from the legal team on the presumption that it's OK, then why prevent this property from being created?

You mention "importing the full Forbes list may not be ok". I just semi-randomly went through the Wikipedia articles of several people in http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/, and Dietrich Mateschitz (#142), Joseph Lau (#143), and S. Truett Cathy (#214), Karl Wlaschek (#312), Ronald Lauder (#410), and Anil Agarwal (#534) all have net worth claims sourced to the Forbes list. If you're basing your rationale on copyright standards, then shouldn't we delete most coverage about net worth in Wikipedia's prose content? It's essentially all cited to Forbes.

And again, regarding the precision and debatability of the data, that is not unique to this property, nor, in my opinion, a compelling reason in this case to not source statements to Forbes. Forbes seems far and away to be far and away the most cited source for this data in the world -- presumably the reference source is good enough for Wikidata. Also, properties like genomic start (P644) and genomic end (P645) are debated among biologists, and more accurate values regularly supersede less accurate values, but this doesn't mean those properties aren't appropriate. The same holds for claims about medical condition (P1050), cause of death (P509), etc., etc. It doesn't mean we shouldn't have these properties, it simply means that we need to cite our sources. Emw (talk) 00:46, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Emw: Citing a source in a article and make a machine-readable copy of a list are two different things. The advice of the legal team is meta:Wikilegal/Database Rights. Apparently, things are simpler for the US than for the EU though.

If it is legally ok to import the Forbes list, I have nothing against it, I am just warning that it is very imprecise (and also, some data are given for "X and family" and I am not sure we can use that in the item about X without family).

I realize I have not replied to the more general point about privacy/verifiability. The sort of issue I had in mind was more like there is a strong suspicion that politician X has accumulated 20 millions but nothing is reallly proven. That does not mean this property should not be created, but I think its usage would deserve a close watch. --Zolo (talk) 06:49, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Zolo, thanks for the pointer. Is European law applicable to storing data on Wikidata? My understanding is that only United States law is applicable in that regard. If European law is applicable then it seems the Forbes data (and a vast swath of other data currently used on Wikidata) should not be on Wikidata per the sweat of the brow doctrine. If it is not applicable, then an important question is: do Forbes's net worth statements amount to a creative expression? Is a set of statements about the net worth of 1,645 people copyrightable? Forbes describes the methodology behind their 2014 Forbes Billionaires List as follows:

To compile net worths, we value individuals’ assets–including stakes in public and private companies, real estate, yachts, art and cash–and take into account estimates of debt. We attempt to vet these numbers with all billionaires. Some cooperate; others don’t. We also consult an array of outside experts in various fields.
—Inside The 2014 Forbes Billionaires List: Facts And Figures

That methodology isn't obviously subjective, original or creative. I think another important point to make here is that using the Forbes list data (even all of it) to cite individuals' net worth claims would not be "importing the Forbes list". Claims for this property would not be directly compiled in a list; they would go onto Wikidata pages about individuals. This seems to avoid the "selection and arrangement" criterion for database or list protections.

Finally, I see no fundamental difference between these claims existing on Wikipedia (which they already do) and them existing here on Wikidata (which is being proposed). The sampling of Forbes data in Wikipedia articles described in my previous post indicates that Wikipedia uses at least a substantial portion of the Forbes list. Much of this exists in highly structured infoboxes as the 'net_worth' parameter. Those infobox statements on Wikipedia are trivially machine-readable. Statements about net worth Wikipedia's prose are also very machine-readable, e.g. with a simple set of regular expressions. If copyright concerns surrounding the Forbes list prevent this property can be created on Wikidata, then the logically consistent thing to do would be to delete almost all claims in the Template:Infobox_person parameter 'net_worth' from Wikipedia. If you don't support doing that, then why not support this property? Emw (talk) 17:00, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am not opposing this property, and tend to support it even. But as the datatype is not here yet, we may as well discuss it here :).

There may not be a fundamental difference between copying the list of in Wikipedia and in Wikidata, but still there is a difference in degree (I 'd say machine readability/data-minability of Wikidata > Forbe's website > Wikipedia). And I am not sure their data can be considered orginal or creative (asset valuation implies methodologicla choice but their do not appear extremely sophisticated not particularly original, and their appear to be gaps in their list but that probably does not qualify as active selection of data). Yes, it's quite possible that everything is fine, but sometimes, law is a bit surprising so I don't know. --Zolo (talk) 20:14, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

On hold To be re-opened when the datatype is there. --Micru (talk) 13:45, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Should this go to "pending"? --- Jura 14:19, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree with Jura. Emw (talk) 01:27, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

cost

Done: capital cost (P2130) (Talk and documentation)

Description	amount of money spent on building or producing an object
Data type	number with dimension-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Domain	economic goods
Allowed values	monetary values
Example	Creasyville Covered Bridge (Q5183418) --> 301.25 [unit:United States dollar (Q4917)]
Proposed by	--Jakob (talk)

Discussion

Support. Year could be added with the date qualifier. ----- Jura 10:26, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Year ~has to be added in order to do comparison. Snipre (talk) 10:11, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Emw (talk) 02:32, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Should not we use more neutral --Oursana (talk) 21:41, 26 May 2014 (UTC)production costs/Entstehungskosten also to use it for films etc. or are there similar properties? --Oursana (talk) 21:41, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oursana, great point, I agree. Jakob, if you agree, please move this proposal to Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic. Emw (talk) 00:25, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from WD:PP/PLACE. --Jakob (talk) 00:43, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

On hold To be created when the datatype number with units is available.--Micru (talk) 11:32, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support also with new label ("cost" instead of "construction cost"). Maybe we need a qualifier to describe the nature of cost (if it isn't entirely clear from the context). --- Jura 09:38, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Prize money / Preisgeld / prijzengeld / gains en tournois

Done: prize money (P2121) (Talk and documentation)

Description	a $dollar value as now already used in infobox tennis player
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	"careerprizemoney " in en:template:Infobox tennis biography
Domain	person
Allowed values	n/a
Proposed by	Edoderoo (talk)

Discussion

Every professional tennis player has this information in the infobox, and it is changing about weekly. This field can be used on many languages, which makes that an updated value will be updating all languages instantly. Until now, infoboxes of many players are not updated for more then two years (while they ARE updated on other languages already). Edoderoo (talk) 20:08, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support I have been waiting for this. Vinkje83 (talk) 21:25, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment how to handle with differents decimals etc.? Some examples: da-wiki: US$ 14,171,097, de-wiki: 15.035.740 US-Dollar, es-wiki: US$14,171,097, sv-wiki: 4 208 335 US$, lv-wiki: $14 171 097 --Stryn (talk) 15:38, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- It's the number that is changing. The thousand-separator is an issue that goes beyond this property, as all numbers have this issue (also population, for example, and square km of a country, lake, etc). Wikidata should first of all hold the number, then it's up to the "language" how to show the currency. But I'm open to good ideas! Edoderoo (talk) 20:01, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Support you're right. --Stryn (talk) 09:36, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Of course ! — Hawk-Eye (talk) 07:34, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Can this apply to any other sports persons? Danrok (talk) 16:08, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Support per Danrok, this could be used with all professional sportspeople. It is also useful for sporting events (e.g. en:The Championships, Wimbledon).--Kompakt (talk) 06:27, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Addition: it should be possible to specify the currency (but as I understand, the number type will provide a unit field anyway).--Kompakt (talk) 08:30, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nominal gross domestic product

Done: nominal GDP (P2131) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Gross domestic product (GDP) is the market value of all officially recognized final goods and services produced within a country in a given period of time.
Data type	number (with dimension)-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Template parameter	"Nominal gross domestic product"
Domain	Country, region and city articles for the Global Economic Map
Allowed values	number with dimension 'currency'
Source	http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_state/gsp_newsrelease.htm http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD
Robot and gadget jobs	Bots should be doing this task
Proposed by	Mcnabber091 (talk) 16:16, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support--Filceolaire (talk) 20:51, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
SupportMcnabber091 (talk) 00:17, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 11:41, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Danrok (talk) 19:47, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Is it nominal? or real? Kwj2772 (talk) 07:40, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

nominal GDP Mcnabber091 (talk) 15:06, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support --Tobias1984 (talk) 17:12, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done moved to pending. --Tobias1984 (talk) 17:15, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Real gross domestic product growth rate

Done: real GDP growth rate (P2219) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Real gross domestic product growth rate is percentage change in nominal GDP from one year to the next minus the inflation rate
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	"Real gross domestic product growth rate"
Domain	Country, region and city articles for the Global Economic Map
Allowed values	Number with dimension 'per cent'
Source	http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD
Robot and gadget jobs	Bots should be doing this task Can be calculated from GDP at two different dates
Proposed by	Mcnabber091 (talk) 16:30, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

SupportMcnabber091 (talk) 00:17, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would make more sense to use the given statistic provided from the World Bank rather than calculating it ourselves. If feel like if we did internal calculations the number might be different than what is provided from professional sources. If internal calculations are the norm on Wikidata then I am okay. Mcnabber091 (talk) 18:45, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I still prefer stored rather than calculated.Mcnabber091 (talk) 03:39, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose can be calculated from GDP and inflation property. --Tobias1984 (talk) 15:19, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Real value does not count the inflation rate. I wonder how you can calculate with GDP growth rate. ((GDP_Nominal_current - inflation_current) - (GDP_Nominal_previous - inflation_previous))*100/(GDP_Nominal_previous - inflation_previous)? Quite complex. Kwj2772 (talk) 08:01, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Even if we can accurately calculate it, we have to be careful about calculating on our own, as that starts to get into being original research. It is far better if we can simply find a source which tells us the data and cite the source, than for us to calculate the data ourselves. Joshbaumgartner (talk) 06:08, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support per other supporters. Emw (talk) 03:09, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GDP per Capita

Done: nominal GDP per capita (P2132) (Talk and documentation)

Description	GDP per capita is a country's total GDP divided by the population
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	"GDP per capita"
Domain	Country, region and city articles for the Global Economic Map
Allowed values	Number with dimension 'currency'
Source	http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD Can be calculated from GDP and population.
Robot and gadget jobs	Bots should be doing this task
Proposed by	Mcnabber091 (talk) 16:30, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

SupportMcnabber091 (talk) 00:17, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would make more sense to use the given statistic provided from the World Bank rather than calculating it ourselves. If feel like if we did internal calculations the number might be different than what is provided from professional sources. If internal calculations are the norm on Wikidata then I am okay.Mcnabber091 (talk) 19:02, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose can be calculated from GDP and population. --Tobias1984 (talk) 15:20, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support prefer stored rather than calcualted. As said, the officially published figure may differ due to rounding, or whatever. We should store the published figure. Danrok (talk) 19:50, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Danrok. Pikolas (talk) 21:42, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Danrok. Emw (talk) 03:09, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Total general government debt

Done: total debt (P2133) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Total outstanding debt of central, regional and local governments
Data type	number with dimension (currency)-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Domain	Administrative units
Allowed values	positive or negative number.
Example	$689 billion
Source	http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2013/02/weodata/index.aspx
Proposed by	Marc Joffe 192.195.83.38 20:12, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion: Couldn't we have a more generic property that could be used for companies as well with a qualifier like 'specifically' to specify which accounting rules apply? We could just call it 'Debt'. Filceolaire (talk) 01:34, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]; Support I support this property proposal as being separate from 'Debt'. This is the total debt for governments within a country, not just the federal debt. Mcnabber091 (talk) 13:23, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

On hold Pending currency data type. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:22, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Total Reserves

Done: total reserves (P2134) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Total reserves comprise holdings of monetary gold, special drawing rights, reserves of IMF members held by the IMF, and holdings of foreign exchange under the control of monetary authorities.
Data type	Quantity
Template parameter	Total Reserves
Domain	Country, region, cities
Allowed values	type of linked items, allowed values (if limited)
Example	$200 billion
Source	http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/FI.RES.TOTL.CD
Robot and gadget jobs	Global Economic Map Bot can do this job
Proposed by	Mcnabber091 (talk) 00:21, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support Mcnabber091 (talk) 17:38, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

On hold Pending currency data type. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:23, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Total exports

Done: total exports (P2135) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Amount of goods and services sold to other countries in one year
Data type	number (currency)-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Domain	Countries
Allowed values	Positive numbers
Example	$76 billion
Robot and gadget jobs	Global Economic Map Bot can do this
Proposed by	Mcnabber091 (talk) 19:01, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

SupportMcnabber091 (talk) 10:14, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support Amir (talk) 21:32, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support --Zolo (talk) 19:53, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support --Eurodyne (talk) 22:31, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

On hold Pending currency data type. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:28, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Total imports

Done: total imports (P2136) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Amount of goods and services bought from other countries in one year
Data type	number (currency)-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Domain	Countries
Allowed values	Positive numbers
Example	$64 billion
Robot and gadget jobs	Global Economic Map Bot can do this
Proposed by	Mcnabber091 (talk) 19:06, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

SupportMcnabber091 (talk) 10:14, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support Amir (talk) 21:32, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support --Eurodyne (talk) 22:32, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

On hold Pending currency data type. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:28, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Total equity

Done: total equity (P2137) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Amount equity for an entity
Data type	number (currency)-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Domain	Entites
Allowed values	Positive and negative numbers
Example	$13 million
Source	OpenCorporates
Robot and gadget jobs	Global Economic Map Bot can do this
Proposed by	Mcnabber091 (talk) 19:06, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

SupportMcnabber091 (talk) 10:14, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support Amir (talk) 21:32, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support. --Zolo (talk) 19:55, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support --Eurodyne (talk) 22:32, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

On hold Pending currency data type. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:27, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Total liabilities

Done: total liabilities (P2138) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Total liabilities for a corporation or entity
Data type	number (currency)-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Domain	Entites
Allowed values	Positive and negative numbers
Example	$63 million
Source	OpenCorporates
Robot and gadget jobs	Global Economic Map Bot can do this
Proposed by	Mcnabber091 (talk) 16:44, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

SupportMcnabber091 (talk) 16:44, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

On hold Pending currency data type. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:28, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Total revenue

Done: total revenue (P2139) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Amount of revenue for a company/organization in one year
Data type	number (currency)-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Domain	Entities
Allowed values	Positive numbers
Example	$342 million
Robot and gadget jobs	Global Economic Map Bot can do this
Proposed by	Mcnabber091 (talk) 19:06, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

SupportMcnabber091 (talk) 10:14, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support Amir (talk) 21:32, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What is this? The total revenue of a company or the total revenue of the sale of a specific product, — or both. English Wikipedia has a specific definition of "total revenue", i.e., " otal receipts of a firm from the sale of any given quantity of a product". The proposal gives no example or context. — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 09:37, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

On hold Pending currency data type. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:26, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign direct investment, net outflows

Done: foreign direct investment net outflow (P2140) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Foreign direct investment are the net inflows of investment to acquire a lasting management interest (10 percent or more of voting stock) in an enterprise operating in an economy other than that of the investor. It is the sum of equity capital, reinvestment of earnings, other long-term capital, and short-term capital as shown in the balance of payments. This series shows net outflows of investment from the reporting economy to the rest of the world and is divided by GDP.
Data type	number (currency)-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Domain	Countries
Allowed values	Positive and negative numbers
Example	$12 billion
Source	http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/BM.KLT.DINV.GD.ZS
Robot and gadget jobs	Global Economic Map Bot can do this
Proposed by	Mcnabber091 (talk) 16:26, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support Mcnabber091 (talk) 16:26, 7 June 2014 (UTC) On hold Pending currency data type. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:40, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign direct investment, net inflows

Done: foreign direct investment net inflow (P2141) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Foreign direct investment are the net inflows of investment to acquire a lasting management interest (10 percent or more of voting stock) in an enterprise operating in an economy other than that of the investor. It is the sum of equity capital, reinvestment of earnings, other long-term capital, and short-term capital as shown in the balance of payments. This series shows net outflows of investment from the reporting economy to the rest of the world and is divided by GDP.
Data type	number (currency)-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Domain	Countries
Allowed values	Positive and negative numbers
Example	$32 billion
Source	http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/BX.KLT.DINV.CD.WD
Robot and gadget jobs	Global Economic Map Bot can do this
Proposed by	Mcnabber091 (talk) 16:26, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support Mcnabber091 (talk) 16:26, 7 June 2014 (UTC) On hold Pending currency data type. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:45, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Household wealth

Done: household wealth (P2220) (Talk and documentation)

Description	The stock of wealth held by consumers
Data type	number (currency)-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Domain	Countries, Regions and cities
Allowed values	Positive and negative numbers
Example	$254 billion
Robot and gadget jobs	Global Economic Map Bot can do this
Proposed by	Mcnabber091 (talk) 16:26, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support Mcnabber091 (talk) 16:26, 7 June 2014 (UTC) On hold Pending currency data type. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:29, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Flux

Done: flux (P2221) (Talk and documentation)

Description	the observed flux in a particular wavelength band of an astronomical object. It is direct correlated with magnitude and it is used especially in radio, far-infrared, X-ray, and gamma-ray astronomy
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	en:Template:Infobox galaxy cluster flux, en:Template:Infobox supercluster flux
Domain	astronomical objects
Allowed values	positive numbers
Example	<Abell 2218> flux (X-Ray)<(7.50 ± 9.1%)×10⁻¹² erg s^-1 cm^-2>
Source	see en:apparent magnitude for the definition of flux and the correlation with apparent magnitude
Proposed by	Paperoastro (talk)

Discussion

Property complementary to apparent magnitude. Now it used in few infoboxes, but can be extended also to other infoboxes of astronomical objects Paperoastro (talk) 22:02, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sandbox-NumberUnit / Spielwiese-NumberUnit / Bac à sable-NumberUnit / Pagina delle prove-NumberUnit

(needed only if Number (dimensionless) and Number (with dimension) do not have the same datatype!)

Description: any kind of values
Datatype: QuantityValue / Number (with dimension / unit) - (1 Sandbox type per available data type)
Domain: any kind of values
Infobox parameter: any/generic (but more for testing than productive)
Comments:

To be honest I am badly informed about wikidata, just to make that clear. I do think that I need a property to be created in order to store values, please confer Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/DrTrigonBot and Wikidata talk:Infoboxes task force#Feasibility of DrTrigonBot/Subster to update Wikidata. Thanks for all your help and patience. Greetings --DrTrigon (talk) 20:54, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. What do you need ? An property with a numeric datatype ? Or a property representing a numeric concept with a string as datatype ? If I take your example with swiss franc you want something like "currency division" to give the nominal value of each coin/note ( 0.05, 0.1, 0.2, 0.5, 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, 200, 1000)? Snipre (talk) 21:03, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In fact I think a good thing would be a generic property (e.g. "DrTrigonBot Value" or even more generic "Bot Value") for the bot in cases when it has data to write for which no property was created yet - as it is the situation right now for a property "Currency Exchange Rate" (or similar) that is needed for swiss franc. This would allow the bot to already be tested or used without having the need to create always the suitable/correct property before being able to check if the bot works at all (in that specific situation), e.g. That would be a really good and useful/helpful thing! Thanks a lot for considering this and Greetings --DrTrigon (talk) 21:41, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just for a test you can see if there is a property in request for deletion using string as datatype or a property which not used in a lot of item or finally try on the demo version of wikidata. Snipre (talk) 22:05, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thats clear, currently I am using something else. Also the demo was already used to adopt the bot code. What I need is something permanent. In future and daily (usual) operation there will always be a case where you have to test, since the bot is freely configurable from here - by any user. --DrTrigon (talk) 22:36, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think testing bots should not be done on the productive Wikidata, except in the sandbox.--Faux (talk) 17:04, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is not testing bots, but testing setups - as on wikipedia itself you will always have situations were you have to change something, modify setup of data, configuration and so on... at least that is what holds for me. Then I have to disagree because testing of bots is needed, e.g. in order to fullfill the bot flag request a given number (e.g. 250) of test edits have to be done. And there will in future clearly be other situations - as soon wikidata will be used frequently... Greetings --DrTrigon (talk) 20:55, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I mean ... it does not need to be something bot specific, what about general maintenance (for human users)? I would even more support such a property, that can be used if it is e.g. not clear yet what property to use, one has to be renamed, other name conflicts or anything else... --DrTrigon (talk) 20:59, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why not simply a sandbox property per datatype ? I do not see what harm can be done with that, as long as it is clear that it is a sandbox. --Zolo (talk) 21:29, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good! (+1) Thanks for the idea! Greetings --DrTrigon (talk) 22:41, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do you plan using that sandbox property only on sandbox/test items, or also on production items? --Faux (talk) 12:12, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see anything wrong in using it other items. It will not look very good, and if we can avoid using it too massively, that is better, but raw Wikidata items do not look very good anyhow. The important thing is that it does not unintendedly get transcluded to Wikipedias and other clients. And as long as they do not query sandbox statements, I see no reason for that to happen. --Zolo (talk) 12:22, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So... are we done here, or for what are we waiting? ;) If you agree I would step forwards and create following 3 properties:

Label: Sandbox-CommonsMediaFile / Description: Sandbox property for value of type "Commons Media File" / Data type: Commons Media File
Label: Sandbox-Item / Description: Sandbox property for value of type "Item" / Data type: Item
Label: Sandbox-String / Description: Sandbox property for value of type "String" / Data type: String

any comments or thoughts on this? Thanks and Greetings --DrTrigon (talk) 10:52, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok here we go:

so these can be considered done but I think it makes sence to propose the future ones too and set them to the pending page:

Label: Sandbox-Quantity / Description: Sandbox property for value of type "Quantity" / Data type: Quantity
(and all other data types to be introduced in future...)

Thanks for all your help! Greetings --DrTrigon (talk) 01:09, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not done, no longer needed.--GZWDer (talk) 10:06, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Physical constant (Value)

Not done

Description	The (approximate) numerical value of a physical constant or number
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Domain	all physical constants, special numbers like $\pi$
Example 1	MISSING
Example 2	MISSING
Example 3	MISSING
Proposed by	MER-C (talk) 13:04, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Changed to Physical constant by --Micru (talk) 03:10, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Needs a better name and a precision cutoff in the case of irrational numbers (may depend on implementation). MER-C (talk) 13:04, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I suggest physical constant --Paperoastro (talk) 13:34, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support but I think we need a better name, because “value“ is already the name of the not-label-part of any property.--Svebert (talk) 20:48, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Quantity"? - Soulkeeper (talk) 14:25, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think quantity is a good property on its own, but not for this one. I would propose something more along the lines of 'constant value'. If we can establish a better name than 'value' for it though, I can support this proposal. Joshbaumgartner (talk) 06:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support - but needs a different name. Why not "physical constant"? --Tobias1984 (talk) 07:25, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support What about (en) constant/(de) Konstante/(fr) constante.

Support needs to be renamed "Value of Physical constant" but we will also need "Units of physical constant" to specify what SI units the value is in (as a qualifier?) (unless there will be a data type with value and units). Filceolaire (talk) 18:52, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support Renamed as per comments.--Micru (talk) 03:10, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not done, use numeric value (P1181).--GZWDer (talk) 10:05, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

gyromagnatic ratio / gyromagnetisches Verhältnis/

Done: gyromagnetic ratio (P2222) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Characteristic property of any elementary particle
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	de:Vorlage:Infobox Teilchen
Domain	particles
Proposed by	Svebert (talk) 21:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support clearly defined statistical value. Joshbaumgartner (talk) 06:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Decay width / zerfallsbreite

Done: decay width (P2223) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Characteristic property of any elementary particle
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	de:Vorlage:Infobox Teilchen
Domain	particles
Proposed by	Svebert (talk) 21:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support clearly defined statistical value. Joshbaumgartner (talk) 06:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

spectral line / Spektrallinie

Done: no label (P2224) (Talk and documentation)

Description	spectral lines of the item
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Domain	elements, chemical compounds (possibly celestial objects)
Proposed by	23PowerZ (talk) 09:52, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discharge / Abfluss / Débit

Done: discharge (P2225) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Volume rate of water flow which is transported through a given cross-sectional area
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	Persian Qanat aqueduct discharge in Qanat infobox or discharge in w:en:Template:Geobox/type/river used in w:en:Mississippi_River
Domain	Hydrological subjects
Example	Ab-donbal Qanat in Pars province, Iran with a discharge of 160 L/s w:fa:قنات ابدنبال which equals 0.16 m³/s
Proposed by	دوستدار ایران بزرگ (talk) 19:10, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support for m³/s. - Soulkeeper (talk) 14:28, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support we will have to wait until numbers are available to see how to work out the units. Joshbaumgartner (talk) 06:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

comment should this be a general property Flow or Flow rate, with units->m3/s as a qualifier? Filceolaire (talk) 16:10, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment in Wikipedia SI units are not used for many entries but it would be preferable if possible to gain data easily consistent with SI.–دوستدار ایران بزرگ (talk) 14:35, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is absolutely imperative that all data is stored in SI-units within the database to conserve data coherency. Conversion into non-SI units is easy enough to do. --Tobias1984 (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Height of person

Not done

Description	height of tennis player
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	"height" in en:template:Infobox tennis biography
Domain	person
Allowed values	n/a
Example 1	MISSING
Example 2	MISSING
Example 3	MISSING
Source	ATP/WTA/ITF websites
Proposed by	--Stryn (talk) 16:23, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support Very useful. One more template that use it is the en:template:Infobox football biography .

Comment Remember about units. That English template supports both meters and inches. --AVRS (talk) 14:55, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We can have 2 different items: Height of person (m) and Height of person (in). Xaris333 (talk) 19:22, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What about a "unit" qualifier and a constraint that the property should have it? Disclaimer: I don't know how usable it would be in Wikipedia templates. --AVRS (talk) 21:06, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support No need to store two numbers, because one can be calculated from the other. Vinkje83 (talk) 10:02, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment this is a useful property, but it clearly applies well beyond persons. I think the label should be changed from 'height of person' to simply 'height'; and its domain should be any item that has volume. Also, the allowed values should be any number greater than 0. Emw (talk) 03:04, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I agree that this should just be rolled into a generic 'height' property. As the number datatype functionality is rolled out, we will see how we have to handle units. Joshbaumgartner (talk) 10:00, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support - currently used by infoboxes on sporters, but also on certain objects I assume (towers, mountains, etc). Edoderoo (talk) 11:19, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment IMHO this should be of datatype "quantity". --Ricordi samoa 12:16, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Does this really need a distinct property? The newly created height (P2048) property is rather strangely limited to just buildings, but I can't think of any reason why the height of a building is different from the height of an object which isn't a building or the height of a person. - Nikki (talk) 14:41, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Range of possible values? --- Jura 15:13, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorted to Person for discussion now that units are available. Josh Baumgartner (talk) 06:29, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose use height (P2048). Josh Baumgartner (talk) 06:29, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Per Josh Baumgartner. Casper Tinan (talk) 08:00, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support a persons is not an object. --- Jura 08:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Removed the hidden part. What's wrong with using height (P2048)? That's how the schema.org people seem to do it too. Multichill (talk) 19:30, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Questions to ask might be: what is the purpose of the schema you mention? How frequently is it actually being used? How many people are using it? What is it being used for? If it's merely for meta discussion of schemes, it might not of any practical use. --- Jura 11:29, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose instead of answering my question, you as a new one. Use height (P2048). Multichill (talk) 21:41, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not here to answer your questions, I'm just trying to figure out what you are trying to compare it with. --- Jura 22:12, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Josh Baumgartner - in German it's body height, height or size, so it would be co-resident Plagiat (talk) 11:50, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The label shouldn't be an argument. You might just need to pick better translations. --- Jura 12:00, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - agree that height (P2048) seems fine for this. It's not clear why we need one property for buildings and one for people (do we then also need one for statues, one for mountains, one for horses...) Andrew Gray (talk) 21:57, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrew Gray:: range of possible values is different. --- Jura 22:12, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Surely we could handle this with a constraint report? eg/ [if P31:Q5 and Pxxx > 3m then report an error]? Andrew Gray (talk) 18:06, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately not. Special:ConstraintReport requires distinct properties. --- Jura 18:34, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done consensus to use height (P2048).--GZWDer (talk) 03:45, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Archived Josh Baumgartner (talk) 22:27, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]