Wikidata talk:Project chat/Archive 1

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Archival time reduced

There are currently 98 sections on this page. I've reduced the archival time to 3 days (from the previous 5) to see if that makes it a bit more navigable. — PinkAmpers&^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 00:15, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Make sense, let us see whether three days is a proper time.--Ymblanter (talk) 00:35, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Wow [1]. Figure we should stick with the 3-day archival time for a week or so, and then adjust as needed. — PinkAmpers&^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 08:20, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

in my opinion instead of archiving fast we should separate chat pages like en.wiki because many users don't check this page every day so they will ask a question many time!Reza1615 (talk) 09:50, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, it would be worth dividing the English one into subpages. Ajraddatz (Talk) 12:57, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

More useful would be, IMHO, to use the templates which allow requesting bot-archival of resolved sections. There was a lot of clutter and I didn't find an easy way to mark sections as dealt with. Could someone check whether the bot uses this feature and document the syntax to use? --Nemo 16:15, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I agree that it'd be better for the archiving bot to archive after a discussion was closed, rather than just after a short time period (though we'd want to auto-archive at, say, 14 days anyway to avoid things getting stale). I also think that 3 days is way too short given the number of things people need to keep track of to answer here - I've just has to rescue a thread I started four days ago which didn't come to a conclusion. James F. (talk) 17:30, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

And now we're at 18 sections only, hence raised to a more standard 7 days. --Nemo 19:52, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Wiki, please.

A link in the site/hatnote to somewhere explaining what phase II is, might be useful. (This is in reaction to note saying: Phase II is live; please use the project chat to discuss any issues.) Buzz-tardis (talk) 07:06, 9 March 2013 (UTC) [edit oops, not irc] Buzz-tardis (talk) 07:17, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Archiving closed subsections after 1 day

Is it possible to change Bot's code to archive subsection that is closed, after 1 day (which has {{Archive top}}) ? to archive them faster than normal subsections▬ Reza1615 / T 15:33, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

• The closed subsections are still edited by stewards, it should be one day from the last edit.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:40, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Now subsection 3 days after last day archives by bot I proposed to change it to 1 day for closed subsections▬ Reza1615 / T 15:59, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I know, my point is it should be one day after the last edit, not one day after closure. I have no objections to changing three days to one.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:07, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Some time ago I emailed Xqt (PyWikipedia developer) asking for a patch since he understands the archivebot.py code better than I do. I haven't gotten any replies, and have since tried some things, but unsuccessfully. If I can't have it patched, I might have to have a separate code written for this. — Hazard-SJ  ✈  03:40, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

I had asked Wikimedia Commons user Euku to either run his bot (SpBot) here, or to release his code, and he said it shouldn't be a huge problem, and that he'd take a look later. — Hazard-SJ  ✈  00:43, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Hazard-SJ, any update? --Nemo 19:52, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Nemo, SpBot had been operating here earlier (see approval), but for whatever reason stopped. I just sent the operator a message regarding this.  Hazard SJ  06:23, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Multilingual project chat

I hereby propose to get rid of the 53 non-English project chats we currently have and rather make the current English-only project chat a multilingual place. There is no point in having 54 project chats of which most probably only 1 is monitored frequently. Vogone talk 21:38, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

• That seems reasonable considering that every other discussion page on Wikidata is multilingual. The Anonymouse (talk) 04:03, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
• Agreed, probably the most sensible thing to do. Ajraddatz (Talk) 04:53, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
• Not that I oppose, but for non-English (and possibly non-speakers of a couple of more active languages such as German) this would actually mean that instead of a project chat with one new topic per week, which can be monitored weekly, they will get in the watchlist a high-traffic page where 95% of all discussions are not interested or not comprehensible to them, and the interesting discussions are archived much faster they would normally check them out.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:33, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
• Not that I oppose either, but this is NOT the right place to discuss this. As a minimum it should be mentioned (linked) on all 53 non-English project chats. HenkvD (talk) 08:47, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
•  Oppose I like that I can monitor the languages I know. --Tobias1984 (talk) 08:54, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
•  Oppose not a problem for me, but maybe it's little problematic for new users, and I think that it's not so easy to get answer in this Project chat than in local project chat, because here it's harder to notice discussions with own language. Also, project chat will be full of discussions with different languages. Maybe some sub page for project chat would be better, like Project chat/non-English. --Stryn (talk) 09:58, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
• I agree with the arguments of Stryn, but I also see a problem with disjoint chats where important things are discussed in one language without the speakers of others languages knowing about the discussion. For someone asking a question or something like that there is no need for other language communities to get involved, but important discussions and notifications should as much as possible come across to everyone. Byrial (talk) 10:18, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
• I would  Support it for Swedish since I see Swedishspeaking WD-users prefer the WP-village-pump instead, except for those active on the English. -- Lavallen^talk(block) 11:49, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
• I think we should rather have a tool to easily post notices on various project pages. --Zolo (talk) 12:04, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
•  Oppose In some cases monolingual spaces can be useful for discussing topics concerning only the community of one language. And then there are people that do not participate to general discussions because they do not comprehend English language. --Paperoastro (talk) 12:16, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
• Comment - if this proposal doesn't pass, then the scope of the project chat needs to be better specified. Often cases, votes happen on the English page, but that isn't really a good thing since users of other languages might not know about them (such as this discussion). Any votes should be kept to RfCs if there are still 54 project chats, IMO. Ajraddatz (Talk) 14:11, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

That is true. These miny-RfCs should really go to the RfC page. The administrators should keep an eye out for those things and start the RfC. But the translation effort is always a problem. --Tobias1984 (talk) 14:15, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

•  Oppose to merging the chat pages, but  Support to improve the RfC process, giving time to translate the outcome that will be voted on and then invite the different language communities (in Wikipedia) to participate in the voting process at least. Maybe we should make a different between "major" Rfc's and "minor", some of them are not that conflictive.--Micru (talk) 17:59, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
• (edit conflict)I have to  Oppose this without a system for interlanguage communication (otherwise, this is pointless). I already monitor the two project chats in the languages I know (en and fr). However, our RfC process needs help and I don't see why RfCs aren't getting translated.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:00, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
•  Oppose. The non-English versions are quite heavily used. Merging the project chats would result in a page that in mostly incomprehensible to pretty much everyone, anglophones included. --Yair rand (talk) 20:55, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
• Comment. Probably some can be dispensed with. I monitor French and Hebrew. French is a reasonably active one; Hebrew is almost never used. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:45, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

• That is not used now doesn't mean that it won't be used next year, and by deleting it that possibility would be reduced to zero.--Micru (talk) 15:48, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

•  Oppose Instead of closing diverse project chat pages, you should allow non-translatable pages to be translated دوستدار ایران بزرگ (talk) 15:55, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
•  Comment maybe is more useful to create an international project chat for general discussions and keep local chat --ValterVB (talk) 19:20, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
•  Comment What about a solution that combines the advantages of the original proposal for a centralized location for discussion, while addressing the concerns about discussions in a user's preferred language(s) being swamped by others they're not familiar with? What if we combined all project chats into one, using a mechanism and structure that allowed users to opt in to having only a subset of those discussions on display by default? Visibility can be controlled by css or parser functions which can show or hide content conditionally. For example, if each reply was embedded in a template{{chat|fr|identifié par la langue du commentaire, par éxemple dans un modèle comme ça}}, then along with the proper selection mechanism (on-page checkbox widget, common.js, or perhaps transclusion of values from an optional, user-defined page Special:MyPage/MyLangs) the rendered page could show by default only those discussions in languages the user opted in for.

In order not be be swamped even by the overhead of a single horizontal [ hide/show ] row per language, which would add up to a lot of clutter even unexpanded, the hiding would probably have to be complete (i.e., no hide/show row—i.e., zero vertical space usage when display:invisible), which raises the question how to indicate missing content in undesired languages if you don't use a bit of vertical space for that, and maybe you can't. A pro-forma intro statement at the top could indicate in a single line what languages were included in the discussion: This Discussion contains content in ar de en fr it; please use the checkbox widget/adjust your common.js/your Special:MyPage/Mylangs to view missing content. That would probably have to be kept up to date by hand, but I don't think it would be too onerous to add a two-character tag to it for each new language entering the discussion for the first time, and I think people would be motivated to do so to advertise their own content so to speak, and others would step in and help out when someone else forgets. Imperfect, but the somewhat low-techiness of it is a lot easier to implement, imho, but gets the job done 95% of the time. Mathglot

For one implementation idea, compare {{NOEXTERNALLANGLINKS}} here. Mathglot (talk) 01:47, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Archiving

Hazard-Bot can't archive first two sections from Project chat because they aren't signed. --XXN (talk) 18:44, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

I archived them manually. --Stryn (talk) 19:01, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Junk

What does this code in the top of Project Chat?

{|
|- style="vertical-align: top;"
| style="width: 50%;" | __TOC__
| style="width: 50%; padding-left: 1.2em;" |
<!--------------------------
            PROJECTS NEWS
--------------------------->
<!--
{{Main Page/Frame
 | color      = 006699
 | title      = Wikidata: Ongoing projects and meta-pages[[Wikidata:Project/Hot potatoes|<sup>[edit]</sup>]]
 | content    = <div>{{Wikidata:Project/Hot potatoes}}</div>
}}

--Pasleim (talk) 22:13, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Be bold You can delete it and see what happens. It can just be reverted if it's a problem. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:55, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Language of reference of the forum page

I believe the link for the English talk page here should be https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat?setlang=en and not just https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat, for German https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Forum?setlang=de, not just https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Forum?setlang=de and so on. Otherwise I see references on the talk page in a language different than the speaker, which either makes the communication hard, or involves me switching the languages all the time manually. --eugrus (talk) 15:14, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

"setlang" changes the language of the interface elements all over the page, and for all subsequent pages viewed on wikidata (until you change it to something else, e.g., by going back to Special:Preferences). "uselang" only changes the default language for that particular viewing of the page, without changing how any other pages are displayed to you. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:21, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Ok, uselang in this case. But now neither is used in Template:ProjectChatLanguages --eugrus (talk) 11:12, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Well, I may have a reason to visit Wikidata:Forum sometimes, but if I find myself in a Deutsch environment, I am completly Lost in Translation (Q107270). -- Innocent bystander (talk) 11:24, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

For instance to read this message I had to switch the language manually from Russian to English ;) --eugrus (talk) 15:14, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

I wonder if there's a way to set the language (maybe using CSS or something) only for the body of the page, without affecting the edit buttons, the links in the left sidebar, etc. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:21, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Bot failure

Why did the bot just do this: [2]? The second section was posted here today, not 7 days ago. --тнояsтеn ⇔ 06:57, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

The bot doesn't allow comments after signatures. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 07:04, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

So this should fix it? Stupid bot. --тнояsтеn ⇔ 07:19, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Merge

Merge of de:Kategorie:Alessandro Volta and en:Category:Alessandro Volta ? 178.11.11.13 14:57, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

 Done Pamputt (talk) 15:06, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Total mess

Wiki	Instance of organised crime in a gang	primally instance of crime related to robbery/thiefs	Include robbing from the rich and giving to the poor and folk heroes	This is narrow concept, related to activity in concrete region
pl:Zbójnictwo (As analogical people to this term there is pl:zbójnicy)	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes
cs:Zbojnictví (As analogical person to this term there is cs:Zbojník)	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes
nl:Struikroverij (as analogical person there is redirect nl:Struikrover)	Yes	Yes	Yes	No
en:Banditry (as analogical person there is redirect en:Bandit but d:Q1521259 exist) and most of d:Q10968653	Yes (there is also redirect en:Gangsterism)	No	No	No
it:Banditismo	Yes	Yes	No	No (there is it:Banditismo nell'età moderna and it:Brigantaggio)
hi:डकैती	No	Yes	No	No (there is d:Q16241335
ja:盗賊	No	Yes	No	No
cy:Banditiaeth (It is most propably en:Template:Cleanup reorganize)	??	??	??	??
fa:راهزنی Most propably it compare with d:Q915425	Yes	No	No	Yes
zh:盜賊	No	Yes	No	No

Dawid2009 (talk) 18:45, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Opera

In German: Der Prozess (Oper) is in English: Der Prozeß (opera), "The link enwiki:Der Prozeß (opera) is already used by item Q28228298. You may remove it from Q28228298 if it does not belong there or merge the items if they are about the exact same topic." - The English title is the original, German used new orthography. It's still the same opera. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: fixed! I've merged the two items. Andrew Gray (talk) 20:41, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

My mistake

Sommerliche Musiktage Hitzacker: I connected it wrong (en to a category), but de and en should be connected. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I moved the en sitelink. --Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:08, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Soubrette vs French maid

There is a somewhat confused situation between the concepts soubrette Q836983, and French maid Q3775843. English has two articles for these, w:Soubrette and w:French maid, as does Spanish. But Q836983 is linked to some languages which have the musical/operatic meaning, some which have the French maid meaning, and some which have both:

What the article corresponding to Q836983 is about on various wikipedias:

• Music/opera: cs de en eo es hu lb nl no pl pt
• French maid: fr sv
• combo of both: it ru

This needs unscrambling. Cordially, Mathglot (talk) 22:19, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

The Italian version of Soubrette (Q836983) is tagged as desambiguation page.

el, fi, io, sk are about the opera singer.

ka is confusing for me, possibly be about the opera singer (is in Category:Theatre (Q6995484)). --Metrónomo (talk) 15:34, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Italian version isn't a disambiguation, don't confuse this template, with this --ValterVB (talk) 18:13, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

P1393 Proxy

The example of proxy (P1393)

 Elizabeth II (Q9682) 
   proxy - Canada (Q16)

made no sense and doesn't match the property description. So I changed it to one of the actual 15 uses (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P1393):

 monarch of Canada 
  proxy - Governor General of Canada

I also added another example from the history of Bulgaria: after Boris III was killed, 3 people became Regents proxying for his son Simeon II for a day until they too were sacked:

 Simeon Saxe-Coburg-Gotha 
   proxy - Bogdan Filov
   as - Regent
   start time - 8 September 1944
   end time - 9 September 1944

Can someone confirm that example matches the intent of the property? --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 16:43, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Professional relations

There's a bunch of professional relations between people:

 P184 doctoral advisor
 P185 doctoral student
 P737 influenced by (partly, range may be different from person)
 P802 student
 P1066 student of
 P1327 professional or sports partner
 P1775 follower 

(to try to find more, see this query but I don't know if it's possible to restrict to range "person"):

select * {
  ?p wdt:P31 wd:Q18608871; wikibase:propertyType wikibase:WikibaseItem; rdfs:label ?label
  filter (lang(?label)="en")
}

Try it!

In the religious domain there is:

• consecrator (P1598)
• Wikidata:Property_proposal/Person#co-consecrator
• Wikidata:Property_proposal/Person#created cardinal by

These are very narrow. They express the idea that X (or X&Y) promoted Z to some capacity. There's also "beatified" (proclaimed someone a saint), "coronated" (proclaimed someone a king), "knighted" (proclaimed someone a knight, etc). These could be related to an event (you may well want to capture when the promotion happened), whereas the examples on top are straight relations.

• We got significant person (P3342), which is a generic mechanism that uses qualifier "as" to specify the kind of relation.
• We got relative (P1038), a subproperty to express "familial relation", used with qualifier "type of kinship".

Questions:

• Should we create a sub-prop of significant person (P3342) to express "professional relation"? (DNB's AGRELON ontology has 2 prop hierarchies for Familial and Professional relations)
• Should we replace the above specific relations with this generic mechanism?

Otherwise eg @Ergo Sum: is right to give the argument "if consecrator (P1598) is allowed, we should allow co-consecrator"

--Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 17:38, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

The problem with condensing all these properties to a single one is that there is often a need to express several of these relationships in a singe item and, specifically, the need to differentiate among the types of relationships. As just one example, en:Template:Ordination, which was the reason I proposed the two properties, calls several properties from different parameters that would be condensed into one under this proposal, rendering the template useless. Besides the structural reason for keeping them, it is clearer for editors and those retrieving information to know the type of relationship of an item to a value rather than just many relationships existing. Ergo Sum (talk) 22:24, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Of course the relations will be differentiated, that's what the qualifier is for (see examples in significant person (P3342)). If Ordination is modeled as an Event, we should model consecrator, co-consecrator etc as roles in this event rather than direct relations from the beneficiary of the event --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 07:30, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Please : could you have this discussion on Wikidata:Project_chat instead of the Talk page of the Project Chat ? it would be much easier to follow... --Hsarrazin (talk) 10:24, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Conversation moved to WD:PC#Professional relations. Ergo Sum (talk) 02:26, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Merge?

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=Wie+soll+ich+dich+empfangen&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search - the search yields two results, but there will likely never be a separate article about the second. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:52, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt:, could you please explain this for laymen. Do the two items which appear in the search describe the same thing?--Ymblanter (talk) 21:21, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

"Wie soll ich dich empfangen" is a hymn (de, en). Bach used it as a chorale (four-part-setting of the same hymn) in his Christmas Oratorio, with a specific scoring, and actually a different melody. It is not the same thing, but I am afraid that there will never be an article about the chorale alone, only about the oratorio (de, en, others), or perhaps its Part I to which it belongs, as No. 5. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

If they are two different things then they should not be merged. The existence of an article is not a requirement for an item in Wikidata - see WD:N criteria 2 and 3. ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:52, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Jane Austen

I would like to point that in the entry for Jane Austen Q36322 there's a weird statement, "medical condition: HIV AIDS". There is no reference, and I've been not able to find the date of the edit. Anyway, I don't dare to delete the statement because I'm quite new and I wouldn't like to mess things up, so I'm just pointing it. Thanks. EDIT: Fixed by somebody. I guess the problem was in the tuberculosis entry, not in the Jane Austen one. Thanks. - Wikidelo (talk) 10:28, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Merge problems

Can someone fusion en:Sierra Leonean general election, 2018 (Q30274539) with German de:Parlamentswahl in Sierra Leone 2018 (Q26709117) ?  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 178.11.191.127 (talk • contribs) at 5. 4. 2018, 13:41‎ (UTC).

 Not done See Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2017/12#Fusionproblems and Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2018/02#Mergeproblems. Matěj Suchánek (talk) 14:39, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

WORK IN PROGRESS

WORK IN PROGRESS - Cliff Holden - 07.03.1999, the copyright holder of this work, hereby publishes it under the following license ...

Licence of original file at date of publication © Cliff Holden 2011 All Rights Reserved

THIS PDF FILE IS NOT IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN (24.03.2019) :

The Copyright Holder is currently able to assert that this file "has been previously published without a free license on a medium I can't alter" ...

https://archive.org/details/WORKINPROGRESSCliffHolden07.03.1999

In order to resolve this issue please write to Douglas Westbury [douglas.westbury@aol.com]

Bughub (talk) 22:34, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

https://web.archive.org/web/20190323205133/https://archive.org/download/WORKINPROGRESSCliffHolden07.03.1999

Bughub (talk) 20:58, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

@Bughub: ???? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:03, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello Justin ! Here is the topic on my talk page https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Bughub#WORK_IN_PROGRESS

Bughub (talk) 22:08, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

N.B. This page is for discussion of how to improve the Project_chat page.

Bughub (talk) 22:11, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Please see here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_in_Progress_(disambiguation)

Bughub (talk) 22:19, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Unless you are the United States Congress, you cannot take things out of the public domain. Why are you posting this here? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:05, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Justin !!!

Yes of course you are right !

We may as well be discussing Finnegans Wake : https://archive.org/details/finneganswake00joycuoft ... Bughub (talk) 11:40, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

How often is the page archived?

It should say in the header the criteria used for consigning the discussion to the archive. I would like to know how many days the article will be on display from the last answer before it gets archived? Also I couldn't see it in the FAQ which surprised me. Broichmore (talk) 10:45, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

It's 7 days. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 11:39, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Revisions by Hazard-Bot are marked with: Bot: Archiving 1 thread (older than 28 days) to Wikidata talk:Project chat/Archive 1. so I would assume it's 28 days — bertux 02:43, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Threads on the project page are archived after 7 days. Threads on this talk page after 28 days. The parameters are set towards the top of each page; several, in the case of the project page, which receives the attention of at least two archiving bots. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:16, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

So the Project page you mentioned is the project chat page. Thanks for fixing it, but what about this page. No mention. I'm a novice here, but 7 days seems incredibly short, even though it's a busy page, 14 days would be considerably better. Broichmore (talk) 10:24, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

The page in question has more than 160 000 bytes from time to time. If we double to 14 days, the number of bytes would then at least have more than 300 000 bytes from time to time. Such pages are sometimes hard to edit. 622 017 074 (Hej!) 12:31, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Tagishsimon: and what about RfD page? Thanks, Nomen ad hoc (talk) 08:03, 26 September 2019 (UTC).

Domatium

Moved to WD:Project chat#Domatium.

Create Account is broken

Moved to WD:Project chat#Create Account is broken.

Creating an interwiki link

Moved to WD:Project chat#Creating an interwiki link.

Q227861

Moved to Wikidata:Project chat#Q227861

Connecting Article to Wikidata

Moved to Wikidata:Project chat#Connecting Article to Wikidata

A new spam channel

Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates (Q7486059)

Andy Dingley (talk) 22:26, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Bad category

Any idea why this page is placed in the nonexistent Category:CS1 Spanish-language sources (es)? - Jmabel (talk) 00:40, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

• @Jmabel: Somewhere in the argument about Puerto Rico being part of the United States is a Spanish-language reference. Mahir256 (talk) 00:50, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

This page is too busy

This page is too busy and intimidating for newbies. It should be split up so that newbie questions are addressed by friendly volunteers. Just my $.02 Ottawahitech (talk) 12:01, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

@Ottawahitech: Sorry about that! It's been suggested before, and occasionally things branch off elsewhere, but it seems this is the one place everybody checks frequently so that's where people bring everything. Since we have so many items people don't generally discuss things on the individual item talk pages for instance... ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:30, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps we could somehow split project chat into general discussion and item specific discussion? --SilentSpike (talk) 21:45, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't understand a lot of the terminology used here: what are items? Ottawahitech (talk) 00:13, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

There are three main types of entry here at Wikidata. Items describe a subject (person, place, object or concept) and their entries start with a Q, for example Ludwig van Beethoven (Q255). Properties are the building blocks for the database and are what you attach statements to; their entries start with a P, for example date of birth (P569). Finally, Lexemes are entries that record particular words or phrases and link to equivalent words or phrases in other languages; these entries start with an L, for example Junior (L252247). There are probably other ones in this massive database that I am forgetting (or haven't encountered yet) but those are the main three topics that come up in discussion here. From Hill To Shore (talk) 00:28, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Are you saying that the idea of setting up a different chat for newbies has been discussed here before? If so, where can I see this archived discussion. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 00:15, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Ottawahitech: Here's one discussion from about 2.5 years ago - it refers to Wikidata:Lounge which is basically defunct. It might be time to raise this again in Project chat and actually try making that or something else like it work? ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:44, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

I have my fingers in too many pies at the moment, but would be happy to try and help facilitate a teahouse/helpdesk for newbies at Wikidata. Are there others interested? Due to covid there are lots of wannabe newbies/returning wikipedians/etc. flooding different wmf-projects. If your community needs newbies this is your chance to grab them IMIO. Ottawahitech (talk) 21:01, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Ottawahitech:, please see the Glossary--Trade (talk) 00:30, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Issues on this page with Template:P

At least at the moment, image (P18) is showing up as "<a href="/wiki/Property:P18" title="Property:P18">P18 <small>(P18)</small></a>": that is, the description isn't there at all. Since Template:Q is behaving normally, the problem must be pretty specific. - Jmabel (talk) 01:09, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Could be phab:T252079. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 08:38, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Appears to be OK now. - Jmabel (talk) 15:41, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

I think that this discussion is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, don't hesitate to replace this template with your comment. Jmabel (talk) 15:41, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Archive error

Hello,

It seems that the archive function does not work correctly at all. On 21 August, the archive bot moved 3 discussions to the August archive page. That page had 68 items at the time. But now, only 64 items are shown. Although the length of the archive page has been growing and no items seem to have been removed (see the page history), I cannot find the missing item either with the search function. Bever (talk) 20:12, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Scots

Now that we can see that Scots as a wikilanguage was invented by an American high school student, isn't it time that Scots is removed from Wikidata? It gives me a bad time everytime I see it, which is stuck on every page. 46.69.62.85 11:04, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Was there any resolution? By the way, I think the discussion should be on Wikidata:Project chat, not here. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 09:27, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Discussion happened at the administrators noticeboard. The gist is that the people improving Scots Wikipedia right now are also cleaning up labels and descriptions at Wikidata. You're welcome to add your thoughts there. --Pyfisch (talk) 10:01, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

I think that this discussion is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, don't hesitate to replace this template with your comment. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 10:48, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Templates Q and P

It would be included in VisualEditor (also known as VisEd or Visued) for an easy use (insert template Q, Template P or any other template; this is, three main options). The result be previewed on the fly (like the content translation tool in Wikipedia). On the other hand, one cannot use the Visual Editor here in Wikidata talk:Project chat. --BoldLuis (talk) 09:11, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism

Not sure where to report vandalism, but please check this item, subject to constant vandalism, addition of wrong image, names, etc. I reverted but IP insists on vandalizing item. --Maragm (talk) 11:56, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Maragm There is Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard, but why are you using the talk page of this? 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 14:01, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I'll report it there...like I said, I was not sure where to report. Thanks. --Maragm (talk) 14:16, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

undo

Somehow I can't undo [3]. --- Jura 00:43, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

I could, for some reason [4] —MisterSynergy (talk) 01:06, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I gave up after three attempts. --- Jura 07:52, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

link

How to link Photometry and models of eight near-Earth asteroids (Q60305980) [author name string] to Johan S. V. Lagerros (Q116947972) ?

Io Herodotus (talk) 09:14, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I moved the statement to author (P50) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:43, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Io Herodotus: In the future, please ask questions like this at Wikidata:Project chat, not here on the talk page (which is for discussing improvements to the project chat page itself). - dcljr (talk) 22:37, 1 March 2023 (UTC)