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Wikidata weekly summary #518

 
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • The new "mul" term language code is now available on Test Wikidata
    • Lexicographical data: We are finishing up the information box that should help new users understand quickly what lexicographical data is. We also added the help text to encourage people to check if the Lexeme already exists before creating one.
    • REST API: We started working on the REST routes to get all statements of an Item and retrieve a single statement from an Item.

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Please merge

Tim Murray (Q59194608) and Tim Murray (Q7804026) are the same person. --158.181.68.50 15:57, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

  Done --Emu (talk) 21:23, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

A popular article writing competition CEE Spring (about Central and Eastern Europe; now with special subcategory about Esperanto) is happening on the English Wikipedia until the 31st May 2022. I warmly invite you to participate, write some article and win a valuable prize! If you have question, I will happily answer it on the competition page talk.

Also, for more wide outreach, I have just asked for a CentralNotice, which should appear also in this project. If you have a comment on the request, you are welcome to write it on the request page. --KuboF Hromoslav (talk) 18:31, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Problems with Shazam artist ID (P5917)

Subject: Jay Wadley (Q111820850) I always get the wrong page, [2] is displayed instead of [3]. What am I doing wrong, where is the mistake? --158.181.68.50 01:03, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Issue seems to be at Shazam's end; or, WD has an unreliable dependency on Shazam redirecting the URL we call, to the URL under which the artist is filed. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:12, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
In the examples of Benny Blanco (Q818048), Adele (Q23215) and Selena Gomez (Q83287) everything works correctly, except in the case of Jay Wadley (Q111820850). Anyone know advice? --158.181.68.50 01:22, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

image for Philips Koninck (Q166379)

The image (P18) of Q166379 is an example of his artworks, while in most (all ?)of the cases, the P18 of an author is an image of the pearson.

I'd change the property to P6802 (related image) What do you think ? Is there a property for "example of artwork/creation" ?  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Laurent.Claessens (talk • contribs) at 14:43, 2 May 2022‎ (UTC).

@Laurent.Claessens: Please no. Description of the property: image (P18): image of relevant illustration of the subject; if available, also use more specific properties (sample: coat of arms image, locator map, flag image, signature image, logo image, collage image)
A photo or a painting of the person is considered the most relevant. If no such thing exists, one of the works of the painter is perfectly relevant illustration of the subject. Multichill (talk) 16:32, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
Is it though? related image (P6802) seems more sensible in this case, at least to me. It might not be that much of a problem with landscapes, but imagine a portrait painting of another person as the artist’s image (P18) … --Emu (talk) 22:22, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
The use case I have in mind is to *progamatically* take the portrait of an artist. At least some qualifier should be given to distinguish the case of a true portrait from the case of a simple illustration. As a side note, just for fun, @Emu:, the case of a portrait of another pearson as illustration of an artist occures in the fr wikipedia: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philips_Koninck Laurent.Claessens (talk) 04:59, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
@Laurent.Claessens Yeah but that’s different because there is a caption and it’s pretty common for encyclopaedias to use portrait paintings in that way. I’m not so sure if this is terribly suitable for Wikidata … --Emu (talk) 07:21, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
The client needs to programmatically fall back to related image (P6802) or any of the others if image (P18) is missing. There are probably dozens of relationships such as this between properties. (I'd consider a portrait or self-portrait to be valid for image (P18), however, since image != photo). Karl Oblique (talk) 09:06, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
The work of a painter is NOT a good illustration of the painter (unless it's a self-portrait obviously!) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:26, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

> @Karl Oblique I'd consider a portrait or self-portrait to be valid for image (P18).

We are okay with that. The case of Q166379 is that it's P18 is NOT a portrait of Philips Koninck; it is a landscape painted by Philips Koninck. Emu and I are thinking that P6802 is more adapted.Laurent.Claessens (talk) 05:27, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

I agree that image (P18) is better reserved for image of subject and related image (P6802) for other images related to subject — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:24, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
As most people agree, I change the property of the image in Q166379. I'll feel free to do the same for other artists if I spot other such cases. Thanks all for the advises ... ow ... I see someone already did.Laurent.Claessens (talk) 15:08, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

How to deal with non gender neutral property labels in French?

French language has many labels which are not gender neutral. For instance, author (P50) use the male form "auteur" whereas the female form is "autrice". I propose to find a way to deal with cases when there is no neutral solution. The request for comments is here : Wikidata:Requests for comment/How to avoid to use male form as a generic form in property labels in French ? and the vote is now open. PAC2 (talk) 17:11, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

female form of label (P2521) will deal with that!
female form of label (P2521) and male form of label (P3321) are useful but item labels are important abs there is no reason to use the male form as default. PAC2 (talk) 20:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Learning WikiData

I am Contributor wikipedia but i have no information about wikidata, can someone help me out with few things ?  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by MosheL697 (talk • contribs) at 19:51, 1 May 2022‎ (UTC).

@MosheL697: What exactly do you want to know? --158.181.68.50 06:38, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Q11 Request For Comments

Can someone be arrested if found Copying project chats I am Monica and I am New.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 105.112.123.34 (talk • contribs) at 10:45, 5 May 2022‎ (UTC).

In theory, yes, but it seems unlikely. See en:Criminal copyright law in the United States --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:18, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

VIAF or NDL no value

Do't realy understand what that means Q19953601#P214, Q13158#P349, Q249898#P214, Q922851#P214, Q7184188#P214, Q871069#P214. We are using a bot to add authority control to articles in he.wiki, so the bot adding the authority control template but no value... Geagea (talk) 10:26, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

"no value" here means "there is no VIAF value for this item" - it lets us say we've checked and we know they're definitely not found in the database.
For he.wiki, you could either a) get the bot to screen out the "no value" items (you can do this in SPARQL I think) and not add the template, or b) update the template so it does not display if there are no valid authority control values. You can see this on en:Philip Palin (Q7184188) - it has the template on the article but it does not display. Looking at en:Module:Authority_control, I think that it's doing this by validating what each AC value should look like - if it does not match a specific format, then it ignores it. Andrew Gray (talk) 12:36, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
It's seems to be redundant. instead of following the slogan "make it simple", Wikidata makes it complicated unnecessarily. I would say "make it simple" for people/users, so they can be involved. My 2 cent. Geagea (talk) 14:16, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Curating authority control data in Wikidata with any degree of quality is much harder than you may think. --Emu (talk) 18:22, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
I think it's best to just omit the property rather than put "no value", especially since it's entirely possible a VIAF id could be created tomorrow. There are many properties that currently (or will forever) have no appropriate values (Charlemagne (Q3044) for example will never have a social media followers (P8687) or X username (P2002) or Pornhub star ID (P5246) or International Wrestling Database ID (P2727), but modern writers are still being added piecemeal to various libraries and databases), but it would be needlessly pedantic to explicitly codify the absence of a value for every conceivable property at an arbitrary point in time. -Animalparty (talk) 16:55, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Disagree. NoValue should be qualified with retrieved (P813) such that it is possible to know a) that there was no VIAF b) on that date. It is not "needlessly pedantic to explicitly codify the absence of a value" if an object of a wikidata user's endeavours is to ensure that all identifier values have been acquired by WD; such a task routinely calls for No Value for items which one would think should have an ID, but which do not. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:07, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
+1. If I check an item and there is no LCAuth (or GND etc.) it's useful to document the search (of cause with a date). We do the same in Wikipedia using the parameters GNDfehlt + GNDCheck, see de:Kategorie:Wikipedia:GND fehlt. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:40, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
a. Let's say that you have added "no value" tag in a specific time. Does it's means that the next day still no value? Does this info helping us in some way?
b. Are you sure that it's really "no value". Maybe there is a value in VIAF but not in a language that you speak. You can never be sure. In my opinion it's a waste of time. Geagea (talk) 18:00, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
a. Let's say that you have a list (Wikidata:Listeria) with 2000 persons who should have a LCAuth (artists, writers, politician etc.) A person does not have a LCAuth today. So you will check this person a month later, again and again? If you are smart you will check the other persons of the list first and this person later. (It's especially helpful when you're not working alone.)
b. What you call "a waste of time" is common practice among librarians. If an artist is not mentioned in the Allgemeines Künstlerlexikon (Q15791802) although it would be expected the libarian leaves a note "AKL: no value" so other users do not need to check again.
VIAF without a date of retrieval: "no value" is of cause useless. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:45, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
I understand your point. Yet few things:
Adding the time is not enough. You also have to add info the term that you have searched. For example. I have searched 'אורי בורדה' in VIAF but was no result. So if you have adding the 'no value' tag, You have to add the term 'אורי בורדה'. Because afterward I have searched 'Uri Borreda' and found result. Adding the term that has been searched is essential to make the statement accurate. You can never really know if there is 'no value'.
When I wrote "a waste of time" I ment to the fact that after we have 'value', all the efforts adding the 'no value'. I my opinion using the 'no value' for Listeria is a kind of maintenance issue that should handle in a different way. Geagea (talk) 19:02, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Bulk sorting of property values

Do we have a tool, script or bot that will sort property values into ascending or descending order? For example Zotero (Q226915) has a lot of values for software version identifier (P348). I'm aware of and use User:Tohaomg/rearrange_values.js, but that's too labourious for such a quantity of values. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:25, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

User:Tohaomg's tool is a fine thing. Maybe he could add a sorting function to it. If he doesn't answer here, you should contact him directly. --158.181.68.50 04:38, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
I will think what I can do. Maybe, I will develop some solution during the Wikihackaton. --Tohaomg (talk) 05:11, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Great, thank you. A sorting function would be really helpful, e.g. in data sets with female form of label (P2521) and male form of label (P3321), where you could also sort them by language code (ar, de, en, hu, uk, etc.). Best regards, 158.181.68.50 20:43, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

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Problems with KKBox artist ID (P5154)

Subject: Ryan Amon (Q23001789): I always get the wrong page, https://www.kkbox.com/tw/en/artist/9ZyTgAi6Jj_jKJol2N-index-1.html is displayed instead of https://www.kkbox.com/tw/en/artist/9ZyTgAi6Jj_jKJol2N. The ID 9ZyTgAi6Jj_jKJol2N is correct, I think it could be formatter URL (P1630) (https://www.kkbox.com/tw/en/artist/$1-index-1.html) fault, because when calling up the URL -index-1.html automatically is appended. However, the examples under Wikidata property example (P1855) in work correctly (Coldplay, BTS, Lady Gaga). Where is the mistake? --158.181.68.50 00:52, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Suggested properties

I would like to know a little more about the list of suggested properties that come up when editing an item. I believe this is related to Wikidata:Schemas but I have found the documentation of how to create these things to be almost unintelligible. Does anyone has any insights? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:29, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Regarding to " list of suggested properties" you have Category:Open property proposals and Category:Properties ready for creation. Geagea (talk) 18:14, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Sorry if my question was ambiguous but Q3604202 realised what I was asking :) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:20, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
I think it's the PropertySuggester extension (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PropertySuggester). No documentation to explain how it works, but it uses a table with "count" and "probability" (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PropertySuggester/wbs_propertypairs_table). The suggestions I have seen (such as GeoNames ID (P1566) and YerelNet village ID (P2123) for Q109386222) look like they are based on the properties of similar items (P2123 isn't used in any schema) but there seems to be a delay in updating as it suggests heritage designation (P1435) (used in 4 items with the same instance of (P31)), but not GNS Unique Feature ID (P2326) (used in 554 items with the same P31, but many were added only recently when items were merged). Q3604202 (talk) 19:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, yes it looks like you are right! It would be nice to see some documentation for this feature. The authors are listed as Christian Dullweber, Moritz Finke, Felix Niemeyer and Virginia Weidhaas. I'll see if any of them can be contacted. My next question then is, what are schemas used for? Perhaps nothing? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:26, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
There's https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Schemas and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Schemas that speak about the current state of schemas. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 14:32, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Help needed with fixing expulsion (Q779939)

expulsion (Q779939) used to be an instance of (P31) Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410), but over time it has been edited into a hybrid between a disambiguation page and a regular item. Linked Catalan and Spanish Wikipedia articles are disambiguation pages, but the German article describes the medical process of expulsion of things from inside to the outside of an organism. This item used to have more links to disambiguation pages on Wikipedia, some of them are now in Expulsion (Q27831654). The history helps understand what happened to this page.

I used expulsion (Q779939) in the biological process meaning to better describe placental expulsion (Q1962315), but then I noticed that the former needs to be repaired. I'm not sure what to do with it. Revert most changes, keep it as a disambiguation page separate from Expulsion (Q27831654)? (To keep different disambiguation pages per name rather than per concept?) Revert most changes, keep it as a disambiguation page and merge with Expulsion (Q27831654)? Keep it as an item for the biological process and move disambiguation pages to Expulsion (Q27831654)? Keep it as an item for the biological process and move disambiguation pages to a new item? Something else entirely? Please help me with this. --Tengwar (talk) 23:26, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

The Spanish and Catalan pages, unlike the German page, do not have the Categorie:Disambiguation pages. Accordingly, they have nothing to do with instance of (P31) Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410) either. --158.181.68.50 11:07, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
As the IP user already said, we decide whether or not something is a disambiguation page based on whether the respective Wikipedia treats their page as a disambiguation page and not by judging the content of the page. I think it makes sense to treat expulsion (Q779939) as the biological process and I added P31/P279 accordingly and linked the item to other items. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 14:41, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Labelling open-source product used by gov orgs in UK

Hi, I'm trying to pull together the data of open-source software used by government bodies in the United Kingdom and was looking for some guidance on my approach. My plan is to initially make sure open-source software is added as an item and has a statement of "open-source software". Then for each item add another statement of "used by" and add in the relevant organisations who are using it.

Where we have large organisations such as the National Health Service with many sub-services/orgs I plan to map the software to the service and then the service to the large org.

After this I'm hoping to create a query that will surface all the organisations and what software they are using.

One of the problems I can see is that some software may be used by thousands of organisations, and I'm not sure how that will look in the "used by" statement.

Hope that makes sense and someone can help advise if my approach is right. I'm a newbie!

That does not sound ideal. First, to what extent does the fact that the Uk Acme Commission uses, err, LibreOffice meet WD:N? Next, as you observe, adding a large number of used by (P1535) statements to OSS items will mainly serve to break the items, and before it does that, it'll make them hard to navigate. Beyond that, I have very considerable concerns as to how you would align whatever the source(s) of your data are, with extant items for OSS and for government organisations. I've spent, on & off, months curating NHS items on WD, and I can tell you for free that there remain major issues with WD's NHS item set, such that alignment of a third party dataset with WD would be partial at best, littered with false positives & negatives. Whilst, for sure, a triplestore and SPARQL are well capable of doing the job you sketch out, I question whether WD is the correct venue & think this might better be done in a stand-alone instance of wikibase. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:00, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
A big government body is likely using hundreds of different open-source softwares. That's likely too much to be well handeled in the Wikidata item for that body. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 15:10, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Typo in item name

Eek! I misnamed my new item Q111901795 ! It isn't Kent Major; it's Kent Manor! Eek! How to fix it? Jim.henderson (talk) 16:37, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

@Jim.henderson: you just click edit on the item's description/label box and change it. I did it for you on Q111901795. BrokenSegue (talk) 18:28, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, @BrokenSegue: Ah. Silly me; not seeing the familiar Move & Replace tab of Commons, I assumed it would be much more difficult. Jim.henderson (talk) 19:28, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Saint Verhaegen

Saint-Verhaegen is a annual holiday celebrated by the non-Catholic universities and colleges in Brussels. It is celebrated every year on November 20 except when it falls in the weekend then it falls on the Friday before. How can I correctly add that in day in year for periodic occurrence on Wikidata? Jhowie Nitnek 07:27, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

User warning templates

We are trying to make Wikidata a multilingual project, but some important pages remain untranslated into major languages. I just came across one such case - user warning templates (see Category:User warning templates, which are used especially when communicating with newcomers. Most of them are translated to fr and zh, but the other languages are mostly missing. Please help with their translation to es, ar, ru, pt etc. --Jklamo (talk) 12:34, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Proper name, other name

Athamantis (Q60409839) is another name of Helle (Q638578)

How to properly fill the page of Athamanis ?

--Io Herodotus (talk) 04:10, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Fill in the "Also known as" field on Helle (Q638578). But please don't mix redirect pages with disambiguation pages. --158.181.68.50 08:11, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Mixed items?

Template:Wikidata property link (Q19694638) contains the Template:P and Template:Wikidata_property_link, which appear to have different roles. I don't have the ability to split it. YFdyh000 (talk) 07:45, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Q7253420

I think there is some confusion here. The linked interwiki pages are at least not disambiguation pages. See also Construction (Q343644) and Q55623811. --158.181.68.50 14:22, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #519

 
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Discussions
    • Closed request for permissions/Bot:
      • PangolinBot. Task/s: Automatically replace one property value with another (Approved)
  • Development
    • REST API: We are continuing to implement the REST routes to get all statements of an Item and retrieve a single statement from an Item (phab:T305988, phab:T307087, phab:T307088)
    • Lexicographical data: We are finishing the version of the page for browsers without JavaScript support (phab:T298160). We started working on the feature to pre-fill the input fields by URL parameter (phab:T298154). And we started working on better suggestions for lexical categories so commonly-used ones can more easily be added to avoid mistakes (phab:T298150).
    • We fixed an issue with recently added new language codes not being usable for Lexemes and not being sorted correctly on Special:NewItem (phab:T277836).

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Language missing?

How does one add a label in a language not on the list for the header section of an item? Refaluwasch is the Carolinian language name for Carolinian (Q28427), and I tried adding it by adding ?uselang=cal to the URL and had no luck. --Middle river exports (talk) 23:42, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

I think it only allows you to add new labels in languages that are shown in the Babel template on your user page (and in the language you have set the UI to). But I might be wrong about it; in that case someone please correct me. --Tengwar (talk) 23:02, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
@Tengwar, Middle river exports: The labelLister gadget on your preferences page gives a "Labels list" link at the top of the page when editing that lets you edit labels in any (supported) language. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:52, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Yes, I have seen the Babel template options and the labelLister gadget but I am referring to languages not listed for these. What I hadn't realized is that those use a different list than those available to specify as a string value to a property. I'll have to open a ticket on Phabricator for Carolinian label support (and likely others as I notice them). It is not a very widely spoken language, but it is an official language of the territory it is spoken in and the basis for a number of related place names and words so it seems necessary to include to cover those topics properly. Middle river exports (talk) 19:29, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Monolingual_text_languages explains how Wikidata language system works and how to request adding new languages. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 22:29, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Which property to use?

Which property can be used if an MP is on leave (e.g. due to travel, illness or maternity) and a substitute for the period is deputising for him/her? I have thought of replaces (P1365), but don't think it will work because the MP on leave is still an MP (so not replaced). I need the property in this statement as qualifier instead of of (P642). Any ideas? [Ping Oravrattas] Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 12:15, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Would represents (P1268) be appropriate? Infrastruktur (talk) 09:47, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Via https://prop-explorer.toolforge.org/ I found substitute/deputy/replacement of office/officeholder (P2098). But I'm not sure if it actually fits for your case. --Jonas kork (talk) 10:49, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
We use replaces (P1365) widely for Swedish MP's in such circumstances. But it might not be a good fit for other countries, not sure. 13:57, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
I think you could use the replaces property and then also add a qualifier like "nature of statement" to clarify that this is a temporary replacement. --Middle river exports (talk) 16:57, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

How to extract list of articles that are present in English wiki and also as well in another language Wikipedia?

Mean intention of mine is to list out the articles present in two languages with article links. Can anyone help me please Ramu ummadishetty (talk) 15:27, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

You can do that with a SPARQL query if the wanted list isn't too big. Lists with many 10,000s of entries tend to timeout. You can get help with a specific query in Wikidata:Request a query if you specify exactly what you want to have in the list. --Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 15:55, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Thank you Dipsacus fullonum requested query in mentioned link. Ramu ummadishetty (talk) 16:37, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikidata statements and identifiers

I can create a new item or add statements and identifiers to an existing item, but how do I add the first identifier to a recently created item that doesn't have one of these yet? The help and FAQ pages seem to be mum on this question. – Maliepa (talk) 19:28, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

@Maliepa: Which item is it? --158.181.68.50 20:16, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Just add it as a statement in the usual way ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:15, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
@MSGJ: I tried that, but it didn't work. But then it would have been nice to know that, though statement items start with Q, identifier items start with P. For example, Cullum number is P4026 but also Q30079054. New statements default to the Q version and have to be forced to the P option. – Maliepa (talk) 21:43, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
@Maliepa: Hi. You are getting a little mixed up with the new terminology there, which is making this conversation difficult to follow. That isn't a criticism, as we all have to learn in the beginning. I'll try to provide a suitable explanation.
First, we have items, which start with Q. An item is a collection of information about a specific topic.
Properties all start with P. Properties describe specific aspects of things, such as height, names, time and database IDs.
Statements are how information is recorded on an item. The first part of a statement is always a property (P) which can either be set with a specific value, no value or linked to a related item (Q) that best describes the answer.
Using these definitions, could you please repeat your previous comment? I couldn't understand what you were trying to say, so I am unable to offer advice. From Hill To Shore (talk) 22:03, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification, but it turns out that I was just having a browser problem. The first identifier was showing up as an ordinary new statement until the web page was refreshed. – Maliepa (talk) 22:25, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Nevertheless, it would have been helpful if you had given us the relevant data set. --158.181.68.50 05:35, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
I believe this may have been a misunderstanding resulting from the fact that we have two "add statement" links on items, once under statements and once under identifiers. For items without identifiers, the headline doesn't exist, so there is no Identifiers->add statement. Karl Oblique (talk) 00:08, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Historical census data

Should out of date census data be included on pages for places, and if so how should it be modeled? Are there any guidelines on this? Thank you --Middle river exports (talk) 19:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Most any item on geographic places should already include such data if my impression isn't entirely wrong. See, for example, population of Joliet, IL. It's generally modeled with point in time (P585) as a qualifier. Karl Oblique (talk) 00:21, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Fashion Collection Properties

PKM (talk) Wittylama (talk) Thierry Caro ( talk) Ainali (talk) Spinster 💬 13:02, 6 March 2017 (UTC) Pharos (talk) Jane023 (talk) 07:22, 18 March 2017 (UTC) Tris T7 TT me Fuzheado (talk) 11:28, 25 June 2019 (UTC) Camelia (talk) 04:51, 31 July 2019 (UTC) Arkirkland (talk) 14:48, 7 September 2019 (UTC) NettieLibrarian (talk) 15:46, 19 May 2020 (UTC) Shani Evenstein (talk) 21:58, 9 February 2022 (UTC) Samantha Levin, MSLIS (talk) 17:44, 8 February 2021 (UTC) Lukutroel (talk) 12:14, 06 November 2021 (UTC) Wallacegromit1 (talk) 13:20, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

  Notified participants of WikiProject Fashion

Are there existing standards of properties for fashion collections?

I am trying to add data to this collection: Q104869540

What more data could be added? How should fashion season (autumn/winter) be accounted for? Wallacegromit1 (talk) 00:20, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

This list may include a few additional properties of interest. It's mostly external IDs, I'm afraid, and I can't see an obvious candidate for season. season (Q12826913) links time period (P2348) as its Wikidata property (P1687), so you might as well use that. You may also want to check out existing fashion collection (Q5480329) at this link, although it is severely limited. Karl Oblique (talk) 00:32, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikidata:Mismatch Finder

Do we know anything about the progress of Wikidata:Mismatch Finder, a WMDE tool launched two or three months ago? Are there any stats on use, on mismatches uploaded to it, external catalogues encompassed by the tool. Any metrics at all? Or is it already moribund? --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:06, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Hey @Tagishsimon. Yes, there has been progress since the launch in February. We got the first two batches of mismatches for English Wikipedia and MiscBrainz and are working with reusers to get more mismatches. We've also received a lot of useful feedback and will be working to address the most important pieces of it after we finish with Special:NewLexeme work. The biggest piece to be addressed is making it possible to get mismatches to review. We'll likely start addressing this with a random mismatch button. See phab:T302289 and the project board for other open tickets -Mohammed Sadat (WMDE) (talk) 09:06, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Recent changes retention period

How would you feel about a reduction in the retention period for recent changes and watchlists on Wikidata, from 30 days to something substantially shorter, like 14 days? It is being discussed at phab:T307328. -- Tim Starling (WMF) (talk) 00:43, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Keeping a log of changes for X days, assumes the rate of change is more or less constant, it is not. If you instead impose a limit of say 10M items in the table (in addition to the existing age limit), the impact would be minimal. This doesn't need any site-specific configuration either. Infrastruktur (talk) 06:05, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Announcing the fomation of Leadership developing working group

Hello all, just following up my previous message about the Leadership Development Working Group. The Community Development Team has completed the candidate selection process and is happy to announce the volunteers that are beginning work on this project. See Meta-wiki for details and future updates.--YKo (WMF) (talk) 07:49, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

horse and buggy (Q2632269)

User:Pi bot removed what was at least a pretty appropriate commons:Category:Buggies here, though I can see how that is now connected (maybe more appropriately) to buggy (Q1002467). But we now have this item (Q2632269) connected to Commons:Category:Hantour which is much too specific. Also, I see this item (Q2632269) is connected to Wikipedia articles in several languages whose titles, at least, relate more to Q1002467, where commons:Category:Buggies now goes. I'm leaving it to someone who is more active on Wikidata these days to sort this all out. - Jmabel (talk) 21:51, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Let's talk about the Desktop Improvements

 

Hello!

Have you noticed that some wikis have a different desktop interface? Are you curious about the next steps? Maybe you have questions or ideas regarding the design or technical matters?

Join an online meeting with the team working on the Desktop Improvements! It will take place on 17 May 2022 at 12:00 UTC and 19:00 UTC on Zoom. Click here to join. Meeting ID: 86217494304. Dial by your location.

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  • Update on the recent developments
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We hope to see you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 05:02, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

located in time zone transitive instead of data duplication

I noticed we have a lot of data duplication for located in time zone (P421). It's used over 2 million times! I put a proposal to clean that up at the talk page of the property. Input (over there) appreciated. Multichill (talk) 11:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

What is the point of autogenerated description "‎Added a language link to connect pages"? How is this different than "‎Added link to [jawiki]:" and why was it even created? Example. What it has to do with ENWP? Eurohunter (talk) 14:13, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

@Eurohunter: I believe this is a new feature that automatically links articles when they are translated using the Content translation tool. In this case, the JAWP page was translated from ENWP. Good thing IMO. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 08:08, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
@Jahl de Vautban: I think there should be note about translation. Eurohunter (talk) 09:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Descriptions

Hello, I'm wondering about Descriptions in Wikidata objects. I have seen and improved a lot of descriptions that have seemed too narrow and lacking. I'm curious where they show up for "normal" users. I see Wikidata-descriptions being shown on mobile Wikipedia quite prominently under the article title, but not on "normal" Wikipedia - are there any reason for Wikidata descriptions not being shown/used on Wikipedia? Where else are Wikidata descriptions being used - within Wikipedia and elsewhere? It would be nice to know, to motivate further improvements :) Robertsilen (talk) 09:32, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

They show up in VIAF listings for authors. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:16, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

KaustLibraryBot

@Trilotat: I have seen edits by KaustLibraryBot (talk • contribs • logs) and it added hundreds of items with bad titles. The bot added master thesis with labels as "Surname, Name" and descriptions as "Title". Then it linked the created items to the ORCID items of the authors violating single-value constraint (Q19474404). What could be done here? Redefine items? Throw it away all? — Draceane talkcontrib. 11:37, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

I loathe doing their work for them. But noticing that they did add items for authors that also include the ORCID, it appears the work here would involve moving the title from description to label, adding instance of (P31), and removing ORCID on the work. Maybe someone will have mercy on these items. Karl Oblique (talk) 00:13, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
So, what to do? Is there any bot operator who would fix these items? Otherwise it would be better to nominate all for deletion, I suppose. — Draceane talkcontrib. 11:34, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Disabling notifications for bots

Hello! Echo notifications for bots (accounts with a bot flag) take up a lot of database space, and seem pointless - bots don't check their notifications. We are discussing disabling / discarding such notifications in T308084. Do you see any potential problems with that? Tgr (WMF) (talk) 11:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

yeah it's annoying whenever I do log in as a bot to see a million notifications. I'd prefer them off. BrokenSegue (talk) 02:23, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
I sometimes do check my bot's notifications. The useful ones are alerts (red counter) of reverts and mentions (and I imagine notifications of someone trying to steal your account are important, too). I receive very few of them every week and I would like to keep them, because they make me be aware of its potential malfunction. In fact, I have them sent to my email inbox, so perhaps they don't have to be kept in the database for a long time.
Next, the bot receives plenty of "linked to created page (item)". I think this is the source of 99% notifications in the database, because we do "linked" data here. (I'm not sure, but maybe they are enabled by default?) I used to check these, because sometimes I would find there insertion of wrong data (or vandalism), but I don't have capacity to do this anymore. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 08:34, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Template:Is redirect

Is there a template with function "[QID] is redirect" T/F -- or could it be created? Extra features that I think useful: "if redirect, style in italics; optional add target QID.-DePiep (talk) 07:28, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

I recall adding this functionality to Module:Wikidata [4]. Not sure whether the template was actually implemented. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 08:40, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Thx. Though I think it is not about the datamodel (item, properties), but more site-oriented.
Example: arsenic (Q21060492) → arsenic (Q871). en:Template:Is redirect. -DePiep (talk) 09:07, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Found: Module:IsRedirect, Module:Redirect (target page).
  Done DePiep (talk) 13:06, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #520

 
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Tool of the week
  • Development

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Is there a qualifier for product code or model?

I understand that wikidata entries are often very precise and specific. But is there a way to add product code or model number as a qualifier? I understand that wikidata entries are often very very specific. But some stuff is on the more obscure end and isn't well documented.

What brought this up: I was adding tags to an image I uploaded and was a bit stymied when adding structured data. The image depicts several soldiers from US Army 25th Infantry Division. One has an M4 carbine with an ACOG on it. So I added "Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight" in the structured data under "depicts". For good measure, I wanted to add that it's the TA31 model but found there wasn't a qualifier for model number.

In this case, should I just add a new wikidata entry "Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight, model TA31"? It just seems.....excessive. Cause even within that, there's still dozens more types, like TA31-C-100371 is coloured OD Green and has a green crosshair while the TA31-D-100308 is coloured grey and has a red chevron. And this is just one model they offer to say nothing of the TA01, TA648, TA02, etc.

I'm just unsure how wikidata usually handles this kind of thing.Jasonkwe (talk) 00:30, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure that WD does handle this sort of thing routinely; I don't think it tends to go very far down company-product-model-variant paths. So three options: create new items as deep as you like, such that you can use the granular item with depects; or else bend a free-text qualifier such as subject named as (P1810) - one of the aliases of which is "established as" - to specify the variant details that qualify the model item; or give up on using structured data to depict the variant. From an RDF point of view, the first of these options works best, but it's slightly in tension with concerns about loading heaps of cruft into WD. Perhaps the best advice is, if you're going to do it - create new items - do it well. --Tagishsimon (talk) 09:42, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, that makes sense. I like the "named as" idea. I definitely don't want to unnecessarily clutter things up and I know that server space and bandwidth for wiki servers isn't free.
The reason I was trying to make it work was that I don't want to break the system by not having applying the correct structured data labels to an image but I also want to leave a note for anyone looking in the future that this is the specific model being depicted. I know the frustration of trying to find a CC licensable image but if the item depicted isn't the main focus of the image (like the image is "101st Airborne soldier practicing room clearing at Ft. Drum" and I'm making a note of what model PEQ laser sight is on the rifle), then I wouldn't specifically mention the laser sight in the image's description. But if someone was looking for a CC licensable image to use in an article on that laser sight, then I'd like them to be able to find that image and confidently caption it "LA-5C/PEQ mounted on a 101st Airborne soldier's rifle" for use in their article's page.
It's just slightly infuriating because with some of these government contract items, the manufacturers often don't keep an updated page on certain items (especially if they're older or discontinued). So it's tough for a wiki editor to accurately identify or use an image if some of the labels aren't specified precisely. Anyway, thanks for the advice!! Jasonkwe (talk) 19:29, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

latest version of wikidata ontology

Hi, I need help. I am doing comparison between two different Data models (RDF vs Property graph) and main source i am using wikidata. For my thesis work I need wikidata ontology latest version. I am facing struggle to find the latest version of the ontology of wikidata. Can you please send me the link where i can found the latest version of wikidata. I have found the older version of wikidata from here https://github.com/mkroetzsch/wda/blob/master/wikidata-ontology.owl but it is nothing i have import this wikidata older version ontolgy in protege and it is almost nothing. Can you help me to find the latest version of the wikidata ontology?  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hina Shahazad (talk • contribs) at 12:53, May 16, 2022‎ (UTC).

Interesting stuff. The owl-hunt eventually led me to Gerrit, which is mirrored on Github too. There is more info here. Infrastruktur (talk) 13:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
@Hina Shahazad: I'm not sure you'll find anything useful published as an OWL ontology for Wikidata; the SPARQL query service does not do any inferencing so I suppose OWL wasn't deemed particularly useful here. The documentation on the Wikidata RDF format used in dumps is linked under Wikidata:RDF, in particular see this mediawiki page. That page does have an "Ontology" section listing the classes and predicates used in the RDF dumps. Within Wikidata the term "ontology" is more often used to refer to the class hierarchy for Wikidata items themselves, which is at a higher level of abstraction than the ontology for the RDF dumps. ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:06, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
@Hina Shahazad: The current version of the file you found is at https://wikiba.se/ontology (it’s a combination of the one Infrastruktur linked with the WikibaseLexeme ontology and possibly a bit more). That said, as ArthurPSmith pointed out, this might not be the ontology you’re looking for; it describes how different parts of the Wikibase RDF export link to each other (a wikibase:Statement has a wikibase:rank with one of these three values, /prop/P123 URIs link to statement nodes, etc.), but not the ontology of the data inside Wikidata (humans have instance of (P31)human (Q5), driving side (P1622) is one of the two items left (Q13196750) or right (Q14565199), etc.). Perhaps Help:Property constraints portal or Wikidata:Schemas are also helpful? --Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE) (talk) 16:16, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Recent Changes for a certain language

Is there any way to set the Recent Changes to show the changes that are related only to a certain language? --NGC 54 (talk | contribs) 18:50, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

How can I specify the unit in a list of properties?

The WikiProject Cultural venues has lists of properties in which we've attempted to provide examples from items in the cultural sector. Two of these properties are properties for which units are optional: maximum capacity (P1083) and area (P2046). I would like the example column to display the right unit for each example-object, but I do not know how to code this. I would appreciate some help. Fjjulien (talk) 21:55, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

The inverse item for P737

What should be the inverse item for influenced by (P737) (influence on)? Geagea (talk) 12:26, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

  • @Geagea: Most properties don't have inverses here (and shouldn't for good data management reasons). Inverses of property relations can be obtained easily with SPARQL or with Pasleim's "derivedstatements" script (there may be something else for this now too?). ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:56, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
What I meant was about using the info in the template. If 'X', 'Y' and 'Z' influenced by 'M'. Then 'M' influence on (or influence over) 'X', 'Y' and 'Z'. Geagea (talk) 15:06, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Please see for example Fyodor Dostoyevsky Q991. we can only write about the characters that he was influenced by but not the characters he influenced. Effib (talk) 19:04, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
@Geagea, Effib: This sounds like an issue with mediawiki (and Lua/Templates), not Wikidata per se. In particular see the wishlist request here. There are several Phabricator tickets related to this; however it has not yet been worked on as far as I can see, and was only around #90 on this year's list as far as supporting votes. So if this is important for you maybe it would be helpful if you could drum up more supporters to get it done?? ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:24, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
The particular ticket talks about reducing properties. But we already have (maybe "opposite" is better wording), for Example
doctoral advisor (P184) and doctoral student (P185)
has part(s) (P527) and part of (P361)
student (P802) and student of (P1066)
capital (P36) and capital of (P1376)
etc. How we can reflect it meanwhile. Geagea (talk) 21:16, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
DerivedStatements is now available as a gadget that can be activated in the user preferences, under the gadget tab. I love this gadget! Fjjulien (talk) 21:58, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Fjjulien thanks. seems to be usfull. Geagea (talk) 07:25, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

How to create a wiki web page for creating a auto-biography in wiki page

Kindly requesting to share the steps to create a wiki page for sharing auto-biography of any person.

Project chat - a keyword which predominantly every computer server and system like to own for handling automated service requests. Wikidata - project chat will be appreciated efforts to evolve as a great application to help across varied industries to find the factful information with the search. The project chat by wikidata may keep connected the wikidata user more intact towards gaining actual data that Wikipedia can support to great extend.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 2401:4900:3604:d5b5:2435:784d:15f2:56bd (talk • contribs) at 13:44, May 18, 2022‎ (UTC).

  • Your comment makes little sense to me, but perhaps there is a language barrier here. You could try one of the other language versions of Project Chat (see top of page). If you are asking about how to create or edit a page about a living person here, see Wikidata:Living people. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:48, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Harvest Templates

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T308348

Please tell me how it works? I do not fill all the fields and there is an endless load.--Takhirgeran Umar (talk) 20:26, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn't use a tool where the author didn't bother to write documentation. You can find the same functionality in pywikibot. The best way to use pywikibot is from PAWS. Be aware that unlike other scripts, this one is fully automatic (doesn't ask for confirmation) so it's easy to shoot yourself in the foot with it, so be careful. Also the script expects named parameters so I don't think it will work with numbered parameters unless you first do a search&replace job. Infrastruktur (talk) 08:50, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Looking at the embedded documentation in the source for harvest_template.py it has a number of parameters. Most important is -always which can be set to False to be able to confirm changes. This is useful for doing a test. Infrastruktur (talk) 13:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
@Infrastruktur. I wanted to export the names on Polish for villages, they are in Ukrainian Wikipedia (Link to the article) parameter "оригінальна назва". Also for US villages. Thanks for the answer. Takhirgeran Umar (talk) 20:31, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

HarvestTemplates does not work for me anymore for about one week:

--M2k~dewiki (talk) 12:38, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Today HarvestTemplates worked for me again. --M2k~dewiki (talk) 10:33, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
@M2k~dewiki, Please tell me what fields should supplement and what exactly should I write there? Look at the screen. Takhirgeran Umar (talk) 13:57, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Hello @Takhirgeran Umar: in HarvestTemplates you need to fill in the property ID of the property you want to add the harvested value from the template in the wikidata object. If there is no such property, you might use QuickStatements (Help:QuickStatements) instead, where you als can add descriptions, labels, sitelinks, for all languages, ... as well as properties + values. The statements for quickstatement could be prepared for example in Excel/OpenOffice/LibreOffice or any scripting language for example. One advantage of HarvestTemplates over pywikibot is that HarvestTemplates checks for constraints (format constraint, duplicate constraint, ...), while pywikibot does not care about constraints for a given property. My own examples for HarvestTemplates and PetScan can be found at User:M2k~dewiki/Tools/Enrich_Objects. Under Predefined Queries other examples for HarvestTemplates can be found. In HarvestTemplates I would rather use a category + depth instead of a manual list. In some cases, I also use external scripts to get information from Infoboxes and prepare statements for QuickStatements. --M2k~dewiki (talk) 14:14, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi colleague, thanks for the answer @M2k~dewiki Look, it almost happened, How to make the text in brackets not added "Drochlin (województwo śląskie)"? It must be so "Drochlin". He took the name not from the parameter. Takhirgeran Umar (talk) 16:02, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Hello @Takhirgeran Umar: I have never used it so far, but there are some "Modify values" fields in HarvestTemplates. You might use "regex search value" and/or "regex replace value". The regular expression to remove the parentheses and the string between could be something like this:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10295637/regex-remove-parentheses-from-string

For example:

Another option would be to prepare the statements with Excel/OpenOffice/LibreOffice or any scripting language and add the info using QuickStatements. --M2k~dewiki (talk) 16:13, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Hey! Thank you very much! Takhirgeran Umar (talk) 10:13, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Open Historical Map

Hi, I would like to add a OpenHistoricalMap identifier to Seigneurie Saint-Armand (Q25857860) historical location, could someone be kind enough to create the property. thx --Yanik B 14:16, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@YanikB: There already exists OpenHistoricalMap relation ID (P8424) - is this what you're looking for? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:42, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
@Valentina.Anitnelav: Yes, thx ! --Yanik B 10:40, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Invitation défense publique thèse de doctorat sur le mouvement Wikimédia

Bonjour à tous.

La défense de ma thèse de doctorat portant sur le mouvement Wikimédia est fixée au vendredi 17 juin à 17 h 30 à Louvain-la-Neuve.

Tous les membres de la communauté Wikimédia sont les bienvenus.

Voici le lien vers la page d'information et d'inscription : https://fr.wikiversity.org/wiki/Sujet:Wvtdl418nfnoxnif

Belle fin de journée ! Lionel Scheepmans ✉ Contact Désolé pour ma dysorthographie, dyslexie et "dys"traction. 08:50, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

What is best: no information, or wrong information?

Hi to all, I've been contributing to Wikidata from time to time, usually tidying up items that I stumble on while working on the Italian Wikipedia. But I would say I'm still quite a newbie here.

This recent discussion that left me puzzled. I had found out that the information "state of use = in use" had been automatically added to lots of Italian railway stations, without anyone actually checking if they're actually in use or not. (It has been added to stations which are still only at a planning stage, to stations which are actually in use, and to stations which have been closed a long time ago.)

Is this right? The other user seems to defend such an approach.

I would personally prefer no information to be added in such a way, because it actually degrades the quality of Wikidata - from items with missing information, to items with wrong information (which is clearly worse, to me.)

As I've never been involved in massive editing, maybe I'm missing something. What do you think? --Fabio Bettani (talk) 13:25, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

I agree that we should not be adding a statement unless there is some evidence that it is true. This is so obvious that I'm surprised to find myself typing this. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:21, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Same. @Bouzinac:, "I prefer to fill up and clean down rather than to add one per one as it is impossible to check one by one and hopefully it's a collaborative database" is really not good. You knowingly adding junk data, and hoping that someone will clear up your mess, is thoroughly objectionable. --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:10, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
I find your remarks a bit rude. There are plenty of mass edits of different sources of different editors and they can come with some typos or errors, of course! One that always awe me is that harvest templates can add false date of official closure (P3999) eg that edit https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q698837&oldid=734677624#P3999 which hadn't been noticed for some years, which made suppositions that station was out of service.
Edit a database always need to cross data, and check inconsistencies, query and refine data. Query and refine data, again. And we are not alone, hopefully.
Otherwise, we should ban mass edit and permit only manual edits... Bouzinac 💬●✒️●💛 15:32, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Poor edits by other tools or editors does not excuse poor edits by yourself. Please do not add any statements that you are not able to verify. Thank you — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:30, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Gadget-DragNDrop

I tried the tool and it's very useful. But noticed that there is no attribution (in the edit summary), at least, from which wikipedia the info taken and which reversion. Geagea (talk) 13:40, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Linking definitions, not recreating them

Sorry, I am a newbie. But I noticed a very flawed description of "cartoon" Q1416517 where in the record there is a link to the Getty AAT. When there is a link to a controlled vocabulary, why isn't that definition automatically linked/displayed/used?  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sjpw99 (talk • contribs) at 18:54, May 20, 2022‎ (UTC).

Well, fundamentally, nothing happens unless someone does it. Feel free to improve the description. One issue with the Getty description is, however, that they claim copyright for them, as far as I can tell. I also don't quite see the difference in the definitions: "Refers to full-size preparatory drawings made for the purpose of transferring a design to the working surface of a painting, tapestry, or other large work." (Getty) vs "life-size drawing on cardboard, used as a design for an artwork". I would even guess that the latter already is an attempt to rephrase the text from Getty. Karl Oblique (talk) 03:40, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Sofron - male given name

SOFRON and SOFRON I think there is no reason for two values. Sofron has no other pronunciation in the Ukrainian language. --Микола Василечко (talk) 16:37, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Those links are invalid. You will need to provide the number like this {{Q|1234}}. From Hill To Shore (talk) 23:16, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Seems to be Sofron (Q20088032) and Sofron (Q112053604) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:34, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
I have merged them for you — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:41, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
I don't think that merge was correct. "Софрон" is not necessarily the same as "Sofron". Names in different scripts/alphabets generally need separate items for the name in its original script, as well as for the transliterations in other scripts (like Latin script). That's because a name in e.g. Cyrillic script could be transliterated in different ways depending on language, country and transliteration system. But if a person born and living in e.g. a Latin script country has one of the transliterated versions of the name as their name, the name wouldn't get transliterated in other latin script countries. See Yury (Q30465251), Yuri (Q18585594) and Juri (Q18932166) for example.
For an Ukrainian person with the name "Софрон", the item for the Cyrillic version is the correct one, which would also show the different transliterations in other languages. But for persons with the Latin script name "Sofron", we need the other item, too.
So Sofron (Q20088032) should be restored to the previous version where it was still about the Latin script "Sofron" and Sofron (Q112053604) used as the Cyrillic name. --2A02:810B:580:11D4:E98E:BA80:42BE:4F93 13:01, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

FAQ for synonyms

At the risk of opening a major discussion (e.g. see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/taxon_synonym_string), I was wondering what to do about synonyms like Manis gigantea vs Smutsia gigantea. In particular, I noticed that the Manis gigantea item contains information about the NCBI identifier for Smutsia gigantea, but the Smutsia gigantea item does not contain any NCBI identifier. Should Q20085878 duplicate properties such as the NCBI identifier? Or (more controversially), should there be only a single item for the taxon? Either way, this seems like if would be a good FAQ for this project, if there is anywhere to put such a thing? HYanWong (talk) 16:03, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

I accidentally posted this to the general chat rather than https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Taxonomy. Apologies. I will repost there. HYanWong (talk) 10:33, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Q91313507

user:Benedifan has edited Karolina Protsenko (Q91313507) replacing Ukrainian to Russian on name in native language (P1559), native language (P103) and languages spoken, written or signed (P1412). I have checked some other people from Ukraina and there is Ukrainian instead of Russian, for example Andriy Shevchenko (Q41244). Why? --Gatto bianco (talk) 17:36, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

I have found no source for name in native language (P1559) and native language (P103), so I deprecated the values; for languages spoken, written or signed (P1412) I found one source. --Epìdosis 20:19, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
@Gatto bianco, @Epìdosis The history of this item shows that a lot of statements were removed from it. I think we should restore them and, if they have no source, mark as deprecated with not been able to confirm this claim (Q21655367) as the reason. We should also contact the users who removed statements and ask them to use deprecation in the future. What do you think about it? --Tengwar (talk) 22:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Time-consuming, but probably best solution. --Epìdosis 07:41, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
I would prefer to completely remove disputed unsourced statements, especially for living persons. Otherwise anything stated without source by anybody could stay forever even if completely false. See also Wikidata:Living people. --Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 12:54, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
@Dipsacus fullonum: Parts of that linked policy are surprising. I was told that incorrect statements should not be removed, but deprecated instead, as marking statements as deprecated has meaning. For example having a deprecated statement that someone speaks language X (with a reason for deprecated rank (P2241) incorrect value (Q41755623)) means that this person does not speak language X. This is both informative and prevents readding of the incorrect statement by someone thinking it's correct. Yes, it stays forever, but it stays explicitly marked as false, so everyone knows it's false.
That policy says that challenged unsourced statements "may be subject to removal", so I guess there is some leeway. But I still find that policy surprising. I can understand that some statements could be used to slander a person, so I understand their removal instead of deprecation - they are vandalisms and unlikely to be readded by well-meaning users. But normal statements like language spoken? I see no negatives (and few aforementioned positives) of leaving them deprecated.
BTW since she speaks Russian and English, it's very likely that her native language is Russian, unlikely that it's English and impossible that it's Ukrainian. --Tengwar (talk) 21:38, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
@Tengwar: I agree that sourced incorrect statements should be retained, but deprecated. That is useful if someone else intend to use the same source. But I see no point in retaining unsourced and challenged statements. Without a source it has no value and can possibly be vandalism, opinions from any user, true, false or anything else. If a user want to retain the statement, they should provide an available source. If you deprecate it with reason for deprecated rank (P2241) incorrect value (Q41755623), that is again a claim without source. I think that claiming something to be false without source is just as bad as claiming it to be true without source. --Dipsacus fullonum (talk)
@Dipsacus fullonum: Yes, I agree that reason for deprecated rank (P2241) incorrect value (Q41755623) needs a source confirming the incorrectness. But according to aforementioned policy, known incorrect data should be removed (because there is no source confirming they are correct) instead of marked as incorrect with a source confirming it's incorrect. This goes against what I heard before, and such mixed signals leave me confused. --Tengwar (talk) 15:08, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Morocco (Q1028) - moved from "Request a query"

Hello,

Could you please remove the last two modifications to this page? This contributor https://m.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User:%D8%A7%D9%84_%D8%B3%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B9&redlink=1 makes an Arabist POVP by adding "Arab-Islamic" while the country defines itself as "Arab-Berber". Thank you.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by YusAtlas (talk • contribs) at 12:39, 20 May 2022‎ (UTC).

This does not seem problematic so I won't revert. But you are welcome to undo that edit and explain why in the summary — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:23, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
I believe the complaint may be right. Checking this edit, the user removed berber as the person's language, even though that language is noted as their native language in arwiki (Chrome manages to translate as much). The user has done little else but changing peoples' language from berber to arabic. Do we have any arabic-language admins that could look into this? Karl Oblique (talk) 11:55, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
@علاء, باسم: could either of you help with this please? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:02, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
@MSGJ: I found nothing (on ar.wiki and a couple of other websites) that suggests that this person is of Berber origin or speaks Berber as his first language. I also didn't find anything that suggests Arabic being his native tongue as well. All Moroccans, especially academics like this person, speak Arabic. They might know a Berber delicate if they are of Berber origins or if one of their parents is. I removed the 1st language as I found nothing to support it. Please note that on ar.wiki we always suffer from such complains, many of which tend to be false and racially motivated. I already told the user (آل سباع) that changed this info to base his edits on reliable sources, and I wish anyone who claims otherwise to add their sources as well on Wikidata. Best-- باسم (talk) 18:22, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Many thanks — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:38, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Bad merge

Can someone undo the bad merge at Charles Martel, Duke of Calabria (Q1499236), two people with the same title were merged improperly. --RAN (talk) 17:30, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

  Done. According to en:Charles Martel, Duke of Calabria, Charles Martel, Duke of Calabria (Q5080691) is about two different people, one of whom is Charles Martel, Duke of Calabria (Q1499236) ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:00, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Difference between football teams and football clubs, and difference between football teams and men's football teams.

(I apologize if there exists a policy document regarding the categorization of sports teams. If so, please feel free to point me to it rather than answering my questions in detail. Also feel free to move this if my post is in the wrong place.)

I am trying to understand Wikidata, so as to use it to find lists of alternate names for (association) football teams (soccer teams).

My first instinct was to query for anything with league (P118) of a association football league (Q15991303). However, this gave me stuff like Pierre Bengtsson (Q1620680) as a member of Allsvenskan (Q202243), which isn't what I want.

My second attempt was to query for anything with instance of (P31) == association football club (Q476028). This included teams ("clubs") like FC Barcelona (Q7156) and IF Brommapojkarna (Q754339). However, it failed to include teams like FC Barcelona Atlètic (Q10467) and IF Brommapojkarna (Q85768040) ("IF Brommapojkarna (Women)").

So, my first thought was that the football club was an entity, it was synonymous to its strongest team (i.e. non-youth male first team), and all other teams (reserve team, women team, etc) were merely "clubs".

However, I found exceptions to this. For example, Manchester United F.C. (Q18656)'s women's football team Manchester United W.F.C. (Q54818167) is considered as a separate club, and Borussia Dortmund (Q41420)'s reserve team Borussia Dortmund II (Q865720) is also.

I also found the category men's association football club (Q103231176) (which appears unused) and men's association football team (Q103229495) (which is not). What's going on here? In particular, what is the difference between a "men's association football team", such as RB Leipzig (Q97905954), and an association football team (Q15944511), such as SC Freiburg (Q106394)?

Q1: Is there some systematic rule for when a team is a team and when it is a club? Does it depend on the internal governance structure of the team/club, or are just some of these temporary errors?

Q2: Is there a way to find all association football teams (including women's teams and reserve teams), without manually specifying "women's team OR women's club OR team OR club OR men's team" (but not men's club, no such thing!)), in the event that I am missing yet further categories?

Q3: Would it make sense to introduce a standardized designation for "a team that may be a member (qua having league (P118)) of a football league, and which all members of football leagues must have" (with the effect of making Pierre Bengtsson (Q1620680) and 2015 Örebro SK season (Q23044722) ineligible as members of Allsvenskan (Q202243))?

Q4: What's the purpose of men's association football club (Q103231176) anyway?

Q5: What's the policy on women's football? Personally, I think it would make the most sense to remove competition class (Q22936940) from women's association football (Q606060) and make it into a "full" sport, like how basketball (Q5372) is ontologically different from cricket (Q5375). However, it would also make more sense to decide something like the following:

  1. Only football teams can play in football leagues.
  2. If a club only fields one team, it should either be both a club and a team, or it should have a dummy club entry.
  3. Football teams must be exclusively male, exclusively female, or (explicitly) "other" (non-binary/mixed-sex teams etc, if such exist). A team should not be able to be an "association football team" (alternatively, it should only be able to be so if it is not a male association football team, i.e. "football team" is the non-binary category)

If these questions are already answered in some FAQ or document, feel free to point me to it. I would like to apologize if this is the wrong place to ask, since this is my first post on here.

Many thanks for information!

98.128.180.201 20:07, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Well it's a mess, basically. For several reasons:
  • It has to some extent historically evolved due to lack of coordination in the early phases. Migration to another model is difficult.
  • Connected Wikipedia articles often mix this up as well, and editors from different Wikipedia editions may have a different idea what these items are be about.
  • It is pretty complicated to come up with a generic model that really fits most of the situations encountered in association football. If you want to make it generic enough for all/most types of sport, it's even more complicated.
  • An ontologically clean solution seems bloated sometimes, so it is difficult to make editors adapt it properly. Many are not particularly well trained and use a simpler, yet inferior model instead just because they work with what they find.
Your grasp of a somewhat ideal and desirable situation is in fact already pretty good:
  • We should have a structurally symmetrical solution for women's and men's association football and all other types of sport. Particularly, women's sport should bot be some subtype of the men's version, or somehow separated out of the "main" event, which is how the men's sport often is perceived by the general public unfortunately.
  • We should also make individual items for teams (women's, men's, junior/age class, second teams, etc.) that are in whatever form operating within clubs that may have very different legal forms. "club" needs a proper definition here as these entities are organized differently everywhere on the world; maybe we should rather talk about brands of something similar instead.
—MisterSynergy (talk) 21:16, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
I think that there's obvious things that can be done, even if they are not 100%.
For example:
  • It should be a no-brainer to require that all league members must be teams or clubs - players etc can't be direct members. (If they can, then we should maybe have some distinction between "leagues with teams" and "leagues with players")
  • It's also theoretically correct to require them to be teams, but there's a lot more constraint violations that would have to be cleaned up if so.
  • It should be a no-brainer to require that, should an association football league (Q15991303) (or maybe a sports league (Q623109)) have for example competition class (P2094) == men's association football (Q31930761), then it's a constraint violation if a team with league (P118) == <that league> doesn't have the same competition class. (Alternatively, it could only be valid for leagues not teams, but I really don't like that approach.)
  • Likewise, there should probably be some kind of check that competition classes are consistent across league level above (P2499) and league level below (P2500), at least on the way down, but this isn't 100% obvious.
  • Either the concept of "men's / women's team" should be abolished in lieu of association football team (Q15944511) + competition class, or the notion of non-gendered teams should be abolished, at least except for mixed-sex teams. (In association football at least it seems fine in such case to make that a constraint violation, since mixed-sex teams aren't really a thing)
  • At least it should be a no-brainer to require that members in men's association football team (Q103229495) class lack competition class (P2094), since else they should go in the subclass of men's association football team (Q103229495) with such prop.
  • All teams should either be instances or subclasses of sports clubs.
  • It should be a constraint violation for an association football club (Q476028) to also be an instance of a association football team (Q15944511), IF there exist other teams having parent club (P831) of that club, except perhaps if it's a reserve team.
  • I don't think that a proper definition of club is needed for the moment; the low hanging fruit is to clean up the obvious violations and then to merge together the reserves team with their main teams.
My key point here is that there's a lot of clean-up that can be done more or less automatically, without having to make any terribly difficult decisions. As for my own problem, I solved it with ?teamID wdt:P31 / wdt:P279* wd:Q4438121., which covers all the types of clubs and teams but not other stuff.
98.128.180.201 01:08, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
There is certainly a lot of work to be done in football, where you have a mass of well documented data people care about and want to analyse. Tottenham Hotspur F.C. (Q18741) for example is a mess of partial and incorrect information, and plenty of people care about them. "The Spurs" eh! Vicarage (talk) 09:02, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #521

 
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Events
    • Upcoming:
      • 6 and 8 June: Scholia hackathon with focus on software-related visualizations and curation workflows
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    • UNLOCK, a Wikimedia Deutschland program, is looking for your project ideas. These could be the development of tools building on top of Wikidata's data, of applications for social and public good or related to civic tech. Apply until May 29th, 2022!
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  • Development
    • Wikibase REST API: Initial implementation of a route providing all statements of an item (phab:T305988), an a route to retrieve a single statement (phab:T307087) completed.
    • First batch of WBstack.com accounts successfully migrated to Wikibase.cloud. You can keep track of our progress on this phabricator ticket phab:T303852.
    • Lexicographical data: We updated the input placeholders on the new version of the NewLexeme special page (T302877, T307443). We finished the feature to prefill the inputs from URL parameters if present (T298154) and to suggest common lexical category items (T298150). We are working on some accessibility improvements (T303806, T290733, T305359) and improving validation / error messages (T305854).

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kidney (Q111907436) and kidney (Q9377)

Somebody made this wikidata items weird. This should be returned but I have no idea how to do it. I think somebody made new item for ruwiki: Почка человека. --LR0725 (talk) 06:38, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

What is weird about them? Infovarius has been working on these items — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:26, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Okay I've looked into this a bit more and I agree something is not right. Q9377 was relabelled (in English) from kidney to human kidney and a new item was created for kidney. It would have been better to create the new item for human kidney. Now there are a lot of duplicated identifiers — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:33, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
@MSGJ: Thanks for understanding. I think I didn't write so well to understand. --LR0725 (talk) 18:21, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

@D6194c-1cc, Infovarius: I am intending to revert the changes to kidney (Q9377). Until 8 May this item was a general item for kidney - English description "internal organ in most animals, including vertebrates and some invertebrates" but you have repurposed it to "human kidney". This is inappropriate - items should never be repurposed. If an item for "human kidney" is missing, then you should have created a new item for it rather than repurposing an existing item. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:27, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, wikidata items for the Human kidney and the Vertebrate kidney (or just Kidney) are not the same. The new wikidata item was created for the kidney of vertebrates. All verkebrates have kidneys, not only human or mammalians (even the primitive fish). Human kidney is item a deriviative of Kidney item. A kidney can one of three major forms: pronephros, mesonephros and metanephros. The human kidney is the metanephros, which is the most complex kidney type. And human kidney belongs to the mammalian kidney type, which is only one of the three kidney types in amniotes and it evolutioned in parallel with the bird kidney type. Previously the kidney item was about the metanephros kidney form of mammalians, not about the vertebrate kidney, which can be different types and forms. You cannot merge them again. And the Kidney article from English wikipedia must be transformed to the human kidney, because it describes only human/mammalian kidney (and it makes confusion because it doesn't says about it). Separate article was made for the vertebrate kidney to describe all kidney forms and types. And separate article would be made for the mammalian kidney too, since there are a lot of information about it in open access. Please do not do any hasty actions before you'll understand the problem. --D6194c-1cc (talk) 06:50, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
I think it is you who is not understanding. Yes, I fully agree we should have separate items for "kidney" and "human kidney". The existing item Q9377 was about "kidney". It is incorrect to change the purpose of this item to "human kidney". I hope that is clear now! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:11, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
I'm just stepping in here to confirm that MSGJ's interpretation is correct. We never repurpose an existing iten as that confuses every internal or external page that was relying on the original meaning. Instead we create a new item to describe the new purpose/concept. From Hill To Shore (talk) 08:41, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
Well, the previous kidney Wikidata item had features of human/mammalian kidney. Division into cotrex/medulla, for example, which is absent in reptilians and lower vertebrates. Do you suggest that to fix that we should have created a new item and move all from one item to another just to preserve wikidata item number? In fact many other wikipedia languages describe the same kidney as english do, so the problem was not only in Russian and English wikipedias (most of articles would be translations from English language). We just revealed the problem. The easiest way was to transform item to human kidney and create the new one. --D6194c-1cc (talk) 11:03, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
What you are describing is a conflation. We fix conflations by creating new items for all of the different concepts in the original item. We remove statements from the original item that have been moved to the correct location but leave any statements that can't be moved. If all statements have been moved, the original item is empty and we delete it, with a deletion summary pointing to the replacement items. If some statements remain on the original, we mark it as instance of (P31) conflation (Q14946528) and set different from (P1889) statements to point to the replacement items. That way we don't change the meaning of statements made be internal and external pages through repurposing an existing item. The internal and external pages are pointed to the replacement items either through the deletion summary (if the original is deleted) or through the different from (P1889) statements if the original remains. The internal and external pages can then choose which of the different topics they were meant to link to. From Hill To Shore (talk) 11:23, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

I have reverted the changes to Q9377 and also created human kidney (Q112107043). Feel free to move any statements or sitelinks that relate solely to the human organ — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:07, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Places of Worship in Scotland

Scottish Churches Heritage Research are in the initial stages of adding data from their existing database to Wikidata. This is a place to discuss any issues with the uploaded data, or suggestions for improvements  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by PeterK147 (talk • contribs).

For starters, it would be nice to explain what the data are, where they are stored, what is their license, and if you have experience with reconciliation and mass import. Or consider creating a project page dedicated to your initiative. Thanks.--Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 17:42, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
It's mainly an ID afaics - POWiS ID (P7659) & https://w.wiki/5CLg - ... all of the reconciliations that I've checked so far - only a small handful - check out and are well done - e.g. Q56622277#P7659; nice & useful qualifiers. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:06, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for this, and apologies for the lack of clarity in the original posting. I am a newcomer to Wikidata, and in truth I thought I was creating a Project page! More work is obviously needed. PeterK147 (talk) 11:37, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Airth Old Parish Church - merge suggestion

Q17571498 and Q15106331 both seem to refer to the same historic site. I suggest that they are merged.

PeterK147 (talk) 17:16, 23 May 2022 (UTC) Peter Kershaw (Scottish Churches Heritage Research)

These were merged 20 days ago. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 17:40, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Thank you PeterK147 (talk) 11:34, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

2-way syncing with Zotero?

Zotero reference manager is spreading and it makes easy to share references to Wikidata through Quickstatement. I contributed over 11,000 references and I'm glad to see editors and bots improve them.

So, I have 2 questions:

1) how to sync my Zotero library with Wikidata items seamlessly (it would help Wikidata greatly if Zotero users' constant curation of their libraries updates Wikidata items constanly)

2) how to automatically import updates to Wikidata items into my Zotero library (this would incentivize Zotero users to link up)

Thanks //() (talk) 14:59, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Please merge

Dundas Church (Q15109941) and Grangemouth, Bo'ness Road, Dundas Church And Hall (Q17571276) are the same location. Please merge: Q17571276 is the better entry.

PeterK147 (talk) 11:33, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Strictly speaking Dundas Church and Hall (Q17571276) is about the church and the hall, so Dundas Church (Q15109941) is part of that — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:09, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Help please: Female genitalia WD item

I am looking for a WD item to add q:Female genitalia to the list of wikis, but I don't seem to be able to locate such a WD item. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 12:37, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Created vulva (Q112127847) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:59, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Merge: Amalek (Q372091) and Amalek (Q16010675)

These two can be merged, but I am not experienced enough to execute it (following https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Merge) -- there are errors during merge process. Could you help?

One appears to be a tribe or ethnic group. The other a biblical figure (who, I speculate, gave rise to the 'ethnic group'). So they are not the same concept and they should not be merged. --Tagishsimon (talk) 08:32, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Revisions to the Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC) Enforcement Guidelines

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Illogical constraint warning

 

Can we set constraints in a way that they don't apply to "no value" statements? Or is this a software bug? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:17, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Kestrel/Common kestrel

I'm tri-lingual (with limitations) and just now I wanted to find the Dutch word for en:Kestrel. For some reason I didn't use google translate but went to the English language WP. To my surprise there wasn't a Dutch link under languages but there was a German 1 de:Turmfalke. However I stumbled on a Dutch link under languages there. I clicked nl:Torenvalk and there I found a English language link under languages to en:Common kestrel! My experience on Wikidata is limited but I thought something was wrong here and wanted to let you guys know. --Dutchy45 (talk) 15:36, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

@Dutchy45: Thanks for posting the above. The English wikipedia article en:Kestrel is about the group of birds known as Kestrals - cf. en:Kestrel#Groups. The DE and NL articles you point to are for Falco tinnunculus, the Common Kestral - i.e. a subset of the Kestral group. DE and NL do not seem to have a counterpart to the EN Kestral article; EN does have a counterpart for DE and NL's Falco tinnunculus, in en:Common_kestrel. So interwiki links are working as expected, but the result can provoke the sort of puzzlement you've experienced. Perhaps one part UI limitation, one part caveat lector. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:23, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

ISOCAT

ISOCAT ID (P2263) somewhy appear on item pages in «Statements» section but not in «Identifiers» section. 217.117.125.83 17:01, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Property aliases

Does anyone else feel that the number of aliases on inception (P571) is excessive? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:06, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

No. See also Postel's law. They're predicated on the robustness principle ('be liberal in what you accept') such that users searching for inception will find it. They're not constrained by a principle of concern about "excess", which is at best a cranky subjective thing. --Tagishsimon (talk) 08:14, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Two questions: What harm do you think having that number of aliases does; and which of them do you think are not valid? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:22, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Even if the aliases are valid, this still indicates that we might be conflating too many things into one property. See Property talk:P571#1 word inception for 58 different Words and the related property proposals for "construction start" and "incorporated" for some recent discussion about this. Vahurzpu (talk) 21:15, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Well, no, it doesn't indicate that at all; rather, the discussion & proposals seem to be an admixture of idontlikeit and ihavennotreallythoughtaboutitverydeeply. I don't see any real problem analysis nor any options analysis, just a supposed bright idea which some people are mistaking for a magic wand. Briefly, there are a couple of ways WD's RDF can go so as to convey meaning: 1) more & more specific properties, such that there's a silo for everything. 2) general properties used in conjunction with qualifiers that impart specificity. Option 1 is really just an expression of the narcissism of small differences, introduces all manner of complexity and additional layers of ambiguity (e.g. in reporting; in users hunting for the most appropriate of a deck of date properties) and that way madness and a degraded wikidata lies. Option 2 works very well and lends itself to reporting b/c the core data uses a single predicate rather than one of a growing set of similar predicates. And under option 2 - which is the way WD mainly operates - one should expect, welcome and add to long lists of aliases. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:26, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Amusingly, the thread below - member_of vs. part_of - exactly illustrates the pitfall of the 'more specific property' panacea. 'Member of' does not add anything that was missing from 'part of', but now we have two properties and users will use one or the other, with little prospect of consistency. The new property proposer's answer to RAN's question would be to coin a new property for 'member of a comedy team'. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:00, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
The distinction between inception and start_time was never made clear, adding more properties is likely to have more confusion. Inception for a project that needs to win support already has multiple values (idea, proposal made, win, construction start, opening) but these are best dealt with by qualifiers to significant_event than new properties. Keep timelines within one property. Vicarage (talk) 06:17, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Fighting with a bot

At Category:Christian Kabbalah (Q9179029) I find myself at risk of edit war with a bot that keeps connecting Commons-category disambiguation page commons:Category:Cabalism to this item. I don't know how to stop the bot from repeating this error. - Jmabel (talk) 20:14, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Peel — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:38, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
@Jmabel, MSGJ: Should be fixed now? Removing the link from enwiki was good, but you also needed to remove the P373 value from here, now done. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:11, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
I made this further edit. Let's see if it finally sticks. I presume I will not be considered to be edit-warring here. - Jmabel (talk) 21:46, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

YouTube channel ID (P2397)

How to add user account url (youtube.com/user/) if there is no channel? Sometime ago it was possible to get url of channel from video page but it doesn't works now. Eurohunter (talk) 10:45, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

is it possible to have a user link but not a channel? can you give an example? you could use website account on (P553) with website username or ID (P554). BrokenSegue (talk) 16:51, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
yes I have come across this before. for example: https://www.youtube.com/c/ (enter the channel name here).
useful website:https://tools.codeofaninja.com/find-youtube-channel-id RVA2869 (talk) 08:36, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

How to find all my contributions except automated works?

I made too many contributions about linkng authors from scholary articles by author-disambiguator. So I want to all my contributions except automated works. ChoKukSuho (talk) 05:59, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

@ChoKukSuho: If you expand the "Search for contributions" icon there is a "Tag filter" - you probably want "wikidata-ui" (or "Wikidata User Interface"). ArthurPSmith (talk) 01:13, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

When/how do you expect to start replacing wikipedia facts with wikidata ones, and then maintaining them.

At the moment it seems you are still populating Wikidata with Wikipedia facts, but there seems little move to replace the tables, infoboxes etc in Wikipedia with templated SPARQL queries. If for a fact Wikipedia has 90% coverage, and Wikidata 80% coverage, with 70% overlap, how do you envisage getting Wikidata to 95% coverage with complete overlap, replacing Wikipedia information with templates and getting the Wikipedia editor community, both dedicated and casual, to add facts here rather than there. Historical facts could have clear completeness targets (given the vagaries of knowing the past), but ongoing facts need a constant update cycle.

I bet Wikipedians rapidly updated all the Football stats at the end of the English Premier League yesterday, but how long will it be until wikidata catches up, and will it be done by the same fannish editors? Vicarage (talk) 09:21, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

How language wikipedias use wikidata is up to them; wikidata is not in a position to force language wikis to use its data, and so has no particular plans in this regard. EN wikipedia is well known for having many Luddite editors fighting an ill-conceived battle against the use of wikidata on EN W, which is why WD gets used, sometimes, for infoboxes, sometimes for CiteQ, and rarely if ever for data tables.
WD does take a lot of data from WPs, but far, far, far, far more from non-WP sources. WP and WD move at different speeds; it's excellent if WP has completed its data intake for the the English Premier League's most recent season, but the reality is that both WP and WD are vastly incomplete and have patchy coverage; one will excell at one thing, the other at another thing. --Tagishsimon (talk) 09:49, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Even if WD were complete and more data-reliable than any WP language on any topic, often WP-editors would likely refuse to publish data from a templated linked WD query. WP-editors would prefer typing a table with raw values rather than pick structured data (and sometimes more fresh data !). I've experienced that with airport statistics graphs refused on German wikipedia and with subways neighbour stations often refused on french wikipedia for some people prefer to type rather than rely on automatic templated tables from WD.
Other example is the coordinates in infobox where WP-people would prefer to type raw coordinates rather than rely on coordinate location (P625). Etc....... Bouzinac 💬●✒️●💛 10:41, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
NIH is rearing its head here. Wikidata really needs a good showcase of its possibilities, as the raw data is clumsy, and Reasonator, while better, would still not be your first choice to find anything. If Wikipedians can't be persuaded to use wikidata, who can, as the SPARQL system is as difficult to use as it is powerful. If wikidata is the glue that binds the information world together, as I guess we all hope, you need to make it attractive enough so all factual sites want to have an infobox using it, and the promise that local administrators don't need to maintain changing common data, as others will. But they will need a roadmap to replace their parochial data with yours. Are there Wikipedia pilot projects that have devolved their data to Wikidata? If not this does not bode well for the project. Vicarage (talk) 11:33, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Wikidata is used to a different extent by various projects but there is also substantial difference between subject areas (I have seen some positive comments on some of our biology data). I don't think we need to invoke the words, "this does not bode well for the project" as there are many uses for Wikidata and we will continue to serve a purpose even if some projects don't use our data as well as it could be used. Some of the concerns raised by English Wikipedia are valid as most of their manually inserted data is referenced but much of our equivalent data is unreferenced. From their perspective, why should they replace their high quality data with our lower quality data? As our data quality/referencing improves over time and new tools or demonstrations show how our data can be used effectively, there will be greater adoption. If you want to campaign now for greater adoption of Wikidata by other Wikimedia projects, there is nothing to stop you. However I for one am focused on improving data quality and will leave improving adoption to others. From Hill To Shore (talk) 12:06, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
In Russian Wikipedia, the Wikidata module is quite elaborate and takes much data from WD (for example, dates of birth and death for people, neighboring stations for railway and metro stations, coordinates, etc.) This module is used quite extensively.
Still, there are many users who are stongly against taking data from WD and who never fail to mention this (which resembles "Carthago delenda est (Q611895)"). Michgrig (talk) 13:07, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

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Bot adding wrong description to items

Hi, I'm an administrator on pi.wikipedia. Whenever I connect a page to an item, a bot will come and add descriptions which make no grammatical sense at all. How & where do you fix that so bots add the sensible description? Thanks! CX Zoom (talk) 11:00, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

@CX Zoom Please contact the bot owner - or if you cannot find out who the owner is, please state the bot's username here and we will try to help you. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 11:39, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Currently it's just User:MatSuBot so far, but in the past several bots were involved in this. In fact, same bad descriptions were added manually way back in 2013, when Wikidata just started. (please see below)CX Zoom (talk) 18:08, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
@CX Zoom: Can you link to a few examples, please? Bovlb (talk) 19:39, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Please see Special:Diff/1650286920 & Special:Diff/1650365142 as examples. CX Zoom (talk) 21:00, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
In both of those examples, the bot is copying the name of the piwiki pages into the label for the item. As the piwiki page names include a mixture of native script and latin script, these two scripts are then shown in the label. I am not familiar with the native language of piwiki. What would you suggest as the correct label for the bot to insert in these cases? If there is a consistent method of choosing the correct label, the bot owner may be able to automate it. From Hill To Shore (talk) 21:41, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I misinterpreted the bot's edits, but the point is that pi & sa descriptions across every Wikidata item on a Template is wrong. They just don't make any sense at all. Thanks! CX Zoom (talk) 22:27, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

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Tarix  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ravshanbek Tohirov (talk • contribs) at 06:55, 8 May 2022 (UTC).

Call for papers: Wikidata workshop at ISWC 2022

Dear colleagues,

Please find here the link to the Call for Papers for the scientific Wikidata workshop at ISWC 2022. Papers are due on July 29, and the workshop takes place on October 24, online. We look forward to your submissions. https://wikidataworkshop.github.io/2022/

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